First time, in need of help

[elninoloco11]

Hey, thanks for looking. I am in need of some help with my first cycle. I have done plenty of PHs and ready for the next step. I am 26, 13% BF, 75 inches , 210 lbs, been lifting for 10 years, been actually training and being smart with diet, lifting and cardio for 5. First cycle I am thinking about is:

1-10 Primobolan Depot 400mg (Sunday/Wednesday)
6-10 HCG 350mg (Sunday/Wednesday)

PCT
1-4 Nolva or Clomid not sure which one would be best (1 week after last injection)

I was also thinking about running Test P and Tren for my first one but I like what I have read about Primobolan Depot and how it doesn't have any sides. My goal out of the whole thing is just to add lean mass and little to no water weight.

Thanks for the help/insight!

 

[Raptor67]

Primobolan depo needs to be ran much longer than ten weeks, I would do 16, and your pct is shit. There is a lot to be learned on this board, read some more. And being your first cycle, nearly everyone will recommend using test by itself.

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[elninoloco11]

Primobolan depo needs to be ran much longer than ten weeks, I would do 16, and your pct is shit. There is a lot to be learned on this board, read some more. And being your first cycle, nearly everyone will recommend using test by itself.

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I appreciate it man. I can run it for 16 no problem and I read the sticky on the PCT. What would the Test P only cycle look like?

 

[Raptor67]

Test p should be pinned eod for 8 weeks, I would go 400-500mg per week

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[dylangemelli]

there is no need to run 500 mg of test on a first cycle... prop is not the best option for a beginner either considering the frequent pinning and the chance of continuous pip... It depends on the prop you are getting though, because if its high quality, there should not be pip present...

I absolutely love primo... It is my favorite steroid... You could just run a simple test and primo cycle... run your test lower and let primo shine...

1-14 test e 300-350 mg week
1-14 primo 600 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod ag-guys.com
7-12 hcgenerate ES ntbm.com
13-16 hcgenerate ntbm.com

pct 17-20

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod


Optional
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate
can be used in place of the Unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock

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[elninoloco11]

Test p should be pinned eod for 8 weeks, I would go 400-500mg per week

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Thanks man, I'll do some more research, truly appreciate the help!

 

[elninoloco11]

Hey thanks dylang! Would I want to run Test P instead of Test E incase any sides start to pop up quick, sense Test P doesn't last as long as Test E does in the body or just run it like you said. Also for PCT would Unleashed/PCT with nolva be sufficient. I read the PCT thread yesterday talking about how crazy PCTs have gotten and that Unleashed/PCT would be enough for most cycles. Anyways thanks for the help/knowledge, much appreciated!

 

[elninoloco11]

Dylang, I looked up Ketoburn, wouldn't it just be better and cheaper to buy T3 and use that. Have you had any experiences with T3?

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey thanks dylang! Would I want to run Test P instead of Test E incase any sides start to pop up quick, sense Test P doesn't last as long as Test E does in the body or just run it like you said. Also for PCT would Unleashed/PCT with nolva be sufficient. I read the PCT thread yesterday talking about how crazy PCTs have gotten and that Unleashed/PCT would be enough for most cycles. Anyways thanks for the help/knowledge, much appreciated!

this isn't tren were talking about, so test e will be just fine...

you can run whatever pct you like, i wrote optional on the things that weren't must haves but still have benefit... noone is forcing anything... i just prefer to run a more extensive pct... while the main focus of pct is absolutely recovery, there are other issues that should be addressed as well and i cover everything with what i recommend... what you decide is completely up to you... i would like to think my results speak for themselves...

 

[dylangemelli]

Dylang, I looked up Ketoburn, wouldn't it just be better and cheaper to buy T3 and use that. Have you had any experiences with T3?

those are two completely different concepts and you absolutely would not run t3 in pct... t3 is a muscle waster and can be dangerous... keto burn is to control cortisol that could be an issue when coming off... i would stay away from t3...

 

[elninoloco11]

^Thanks for the insight man, clearly I'm talking out of my ass and need to do some more research, thanks again!

 

[dylangemelli]

^Thanks for the insight man, clearly I'm talking out of my ass and need to do some more research, thanks again!

anytime bro... im happy to help

 

[elninoloco11]

Hey dylang, have you ran a Test E and Tren cycle before? How where your lean mass gains? I was also looking into these too but my last PH cycle left gave me some serious gyno sides that scared the shit out of me? Would I be able to run Test E and Tren for a six week cycle or would they need to be run for a 10 or 16 week cycle? I want the fitness model look, not the mass look. My diet is own point and I have no problem cutting down or any of that I just want to had some more lean mass to my frame?

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey dylang, have you ran a Test E and Tren cycle before? How where your lean mass gains? I was also looking into these too but my last PH cycle left gave me some serious gyno sides that scared the shit out of me? Would I be able to run Test E and Tren for a six week cycle or would they need to be run for a 10 or 16 week cycle? I want the fitness model look, not the mass look. My diet is own point and I have no problem cutting down or any of that I just want to had some more lean mass to my frame?

I dont go near tren bro... Cardio is far to important to me and tren will hurt it plus i dont need tren for what i want to accomplish and for what you want, you dont either... Primo is definitely what you want

 

[liffalot]

Yea you should definitely have more than just a SERMS in your PCT. I like running SERMS and SARMS both -

run some clomid alongside some Sarmsserach OSTA with a natty test booster and a dermal AI and that will do much better for you. Some forged post cycle is great to throw in as well.

 

[liffalot]

Hey dylang, have you ran a Test E and Tren cycle before? How where your lean mass gains? I was also looking into these too but my last PH cycle left gave me some serious gyno sides that scared the shit out of me? Would I be able to run Test E and Tren for a six week cycle or would they need to be run for a 10 or 16 week cycle? I want the fitness model look, not the mass look. My diet is own point and I have no problem cutting down or any of that I just want to had some more lean mass to my frame?

Especially not for a first cycle. Tren in all forms is VERY intense and can be really harmful if you fuck it up due to lack of experience.

I also wanted to thank you for actually being receptive to helpful critiquing and advice. So many guys on here come in thinking their ready to cycle with their crappy cycle all planned out and ask for advice but get offended when people try to help them out. Its pretty rare to find guys like yourself, don't lose that quality on this forum!

 

[elninoloco11]

I dont go near tren bro... Cardio is far to important to me and tren will hurt it plus i dont need tren for what i want to accomplish and for what you want, you dont either... Primo is definitely what you want

Once again thanks man, I'll just stick to the Primo. Like you I love cardio and with my job I can't exactly get away with no doing cardio...military. So Primo it is and I'll use the PCT you recommended, expensive as shit ahaha but much rather spend the money to be safe then sorry!

 

[elninoloco11]

Especially not for a first cycle. Tren in all forms is VERY intense and can be really harmful if you fuck it up due to lack of experience.

I also wanted to thank you for actually being receptive to helpful critiquing and advice. So many guys on here come in thinking their ready to cycle with their crappy cycle all planned out and ask for advice but get offended when people try to help them out. Its pretty rare to find guys like yourself, don't lose that quality on this forum!

Thanks for the input and advice man I appreciate it. Yea, there was no way I could come into here acting like I knew what I was talking about, this is a whole new scene to me and I just want to learn as much as I can before I make my final decision. So all the help and insight that I can get is more than appreciated. Unless your are a chemist or been doing this for awhile, no need to come in here like your shit doesn't stink. Once again thanks for the insight and help!

 

[liffalot]

Thanks for the input and advice man I appreciate it. Yea, there was no way I could come into here acting like I knew what I was talking about, this is a whole new scene to me and I just want to learn as much as I can before I make my final decision. So all the help and insight that I can get is more than appreciated. Unless your are a chemist or been doing this for awhile, no need to come in here like your shit doesn't stink. Once again thanks for the insight and help!

Absolutely friend, you're 100% right - everyone here can learn something, even experienced users.

And with an attitude like that, you can expect plenty more help and insight to come your way. Good luck

 

[elninoloco11]

So, for on cycle do I need to run any thing like n2guard or on cycle support with Primo and Test E

Should I just use all injectables or orals. I found primo oral but honestly just don't know if injectables or oral is better. I know orals can really mess with the liver but will Primo do the same?

 

[liffalot]

So, for on cycle do I need to run any thing like n2guard or an AI with Primo and Test E or since I'll be running the Test E at a lower dose do I even need to worry about it? My last cycle of PHs was SD, Halo, Epi and I had some signs of gyno which scared the shit out of me, cause I've had to of my buddies get gyno and have fucked up surgeries to get the tissue out. As always thanks for the help!

Unless you're taking orals I wouldn't say that you need N2Guard. Its main function is liver support but it also has good properties for other cycle support needs, so if you have the cash it would be a good addition.

An AI is a must for aromatizable test cycles in my opinion. Even at low doses aromatization is possible, so it never hurts to add one in and I would say it always helps.

 

[dylangemelli]

So, for on cycle do I need to run any thing like n2guard or an AI with Primo and Test E or since I'll be running the Test E at a lower dose do I even need to worry about it? My last cycle of PHs was SD, Halo, Epi and I had some signs of gyno which scared the shit out of me, cause I've had to of my buddies get gyno and have fucked up surgeries to get the tissue out. As always thanks for the help!

Should I just use all injectables or orals. I found primo oral but honestly just don't know if injectables or oral is better. I know orals can really mess with the liver but will Primo do the same?

You need injectable primo and make sure your source is reliable... Primo quality can be hard to find... If youve had gyno symptoms in the past then its quite obvious that you should not run cycles without an ai bro... That should be common sense... Aromasin at 12.5 mg eod... I would run hcgenerate on cycle... Without an oral, n2guard is not as necessary but it definitely has benefit...

 

[elninoloco11]

Once again thanks guys I really appreciate all the help!

 

[elninoloco11]

Once again another question. Since I am sensitive to gyno bs, would Deca-Durabolin or Equipoise be better for me? Or just stick with the Test E with the aromasin at 12.5mg EOD? Like usual thanks for the help guys!