First Steroid Cycle help

[ASSAULT_80]

For my first cycle i was going to run 500 mg of Test E and 50 mg of winstrol. It would be a 12 week cycle the winstrol would be the last 6 weeks so from week 9 to 14. Then pct starts immediately after that with clomid and novaldex for 4 weeks. I know the test is a longer ester so I won't feel it till around week 4 so I decided to add a kickstart. I added 4 weeks of dbol from week 1-4 at 40 mg a day. Now I would also add Arimidex through the whole cycle until PCT. I know both winstrol and dbol are very toxic to the liver but since there's a 5 week difference between when I'm taking them and with a proper liver support would this combination be strong. I know with dbol I may also get some water retention but nice strength. I'll be hitting cardio hard all through out the cycle as well and my diet should be on point. My stats are I'm 6 foot 190 lbs, I'm just guessing here but I'm no more than 13 percent body fat. Any help or advice is appreciated thank you.

 

[Lev Butlerov]

Dosage wise you are fine to go. However, if you are going to run testosterone enanthate, then you should start the PCT 2 weeks after ending the cycle - you need to give it sometime to get cleared out of your body before the PCT.

Also, your PCT protocol is very weak - you need a more comprehensive PCT if you want to keep the gains made on cycle, and have a smooth recovery. Check out the perfect PCT protocol - that is how a proper PCT should look like - https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Finally, if you are looking for a cutting cycle, why not use turinabol instead of dbol for a kick-starter - it will give you quite a lot of muscle mass, just as much as dbol in fact, but without water retention.

 

[stevesmi]

Lev is exactly right.. you bust your ass on cycle for results then run an awful pct

what is the point?

 

[ASSAULT_80]

The pct would start 2 weeks after the Test E but immediately after the winstrol becuase it's a shorter ester so during that two week break period from the Test ide still be taking winstrol now I am going to incorporate the N2 guard. Turinabol is a lot more fitting for this cycle and would the dosages be the same 35 mg? My PCT didn't look that weak to me but after reading through the link it could be a lot better. So if I incorporate the PCT in the link and the turinabol in place of the dbol it would be a successful cycle? Also a question the Test ends at week 12 but I'm starting the winstrol week 9 to 14 or should I back off to finish with the test at the same time ? Thank you both for your replies !

 

[muskate]

The pct would start 2 weeks after the Test E but immediately after the winstrol becuase it's a shorter ester so during that two week break period from the Test ide still be taking winstrol now I am going to incorporate the N2 guard. Turinabol is a lot more fitting for this cycle and would the dosages be the same 35 mg? My PCT didn't look that weak to me but after reading through the link it could be a lot better. So if I incorporate the PCT in the link and the turinabol in place of the dbol it would be a successful cycle? Also a question the Test ends at week 12 but I'm starting the winstrol week 9 to 14 or should I back off to finish with the test at the same time ? Thank you both for your replies !

It makes the most sense to finish with the test and winstrol at the same time. Remember that any steroid, whether it be oral or an injectable will suppress natural testosterone production

I would run the winstrol weeks 7 to 12 and run the test weeks 1 to 12. Start your PCT on week 14.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

The cycle itself looks good to me. With the PCT, basically immediately after last injection you will start the HCGenerate ES. 2 weeks after that is when the SERMs come in to play. Follow the Perfect PCT exactly to know when to bring in the other compounds like N2Guard, Ostarine, Cardarine.........https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

 

[ASSAULT_80]

So from looking at this pct itself is looking at around 1000 dollars for all the proper supplements does this sound right ? Like an average total for just PCT I'm guessing or what should cost breakdown be for it ?? Again thank all you guys for commenting

 

[stevesmi]

hell I spent over $1000 on my first primo cycle years ago.. and the gear ended up being bunk!

nobody said this was a cheap hobby bro. I spend 1K a month on food alone and I am in a deficit

 

[muskate]

Check out this video I made on how much steroids cost -> https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/video-how-much-do-steroids-cost-1487767.html


These numbers are all in US dollars and rough estimates. Prices will vary based on the source you used. I also increased the cost of each item by roughly 20% to take into account shipping costs, western union fees etc.


Cycle
2 vials of testosterone - $160
1 package of aromasin - $60


PCT
1 good natural testosterone booster - $100
1 package ostarine - $100
1 package cardarine - $100
1 package clomid - $100
1 package nolvadex - $100
1 package of aromasin - $60


Needles, syringes, rubbing alcohol and cotton balls - $50


Pre and post cycle blood work - $130


Total = $880

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

It really depends on the source too. Just take testosterone for example......there are good labs selling a vial for $30 and some up to $100.