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first real cycle, how would you arrange this?

preposterous

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Hi, I have been reading the boards and learning quite a bit. This will be my first real cycle and I could really use some acvice from you guys on how I should structure this cycle with the gear that I have. I am 35 and worked out off and on for many years and have low body fat and about 175lbs.

I have:
BD anavar, 100x10mg tabs
Power animal methan tabs(dbol) 100x10mg tabs
10ml of 250 QV test Ent
some proviron (13x25mg)
plenty of nolva and weeks worth of clomid

Quite frankly I am a bit worried about running the test without any hcg on hand for pct so my plan was as follows:

dbol at 20-30mg for about 4 weeks
combination of say half a tab of proviron and nolva for weeks 2 and 3 and double the nolva for the last week.
avavar at 20mg during the dbol then up to 30 or 40mg for another 2 weeks.

pct clomid for a week then nolva for a while, I also have about a week of clen, which maybe I should run when I finish the dbol.

I know its not the ideal first cycle , but it is the gear I have. And I suspect it is probably not wise to run the test without say more proviron and definately the hcg.

Also my liver might take a beating here so I will include 1000mg milk thistle.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Especially comments on running the anavar and dbol together.

Thanks in advance.
 
preposterous said:
Also my liver might take a beating here so I will include 1000mg milk thistle.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Especially comments on running the anavar and dbol together.

I don't think you have enough. Most people will tell you to plan the cycle then get the gear. There is nothing like the first time (even at 35) so you should take advantage of it. Test and Var is great first cycle, but you should probably run it 8-10 weeks. I don't favor Dbol at all and certainly not combined with Var.
Clomid is cheap so you should have more than a week's worth. I would also recommend the HCG.

This might work okay, although not ideal:

WK1-4: 500mg Test
WK5-6: 250mg Test, 30mgED Var
WK7-8: 30mg ED Var
PCT: Clomid/Proviron/Clen

Probably no need for an anti-estrogen during the cycle. You might want to add the Dbol in there for the first 2 weeks just as a kickstart.
 
Sofla!!! What up boy! Sofla is right. This is your first cycle? Make it count bro. It's too messy and shitty. It's like your desperate to start. We here to help and not mock you. But seriously, put more money into your cycle and your brain. This is not correctly done. I mean...half a tab of proviron?! Come on!
 
I agree with these guys, you really don't have enough of any one thing to do what you want to do. Besides, this is your 1st and you're making it way too complicated.

If getting your hands on more gear is a problem, then this is how I would
run what you have. It's a simple 1st cycle that you will be happy with.
Since it's a pretty light cycle, there won't be much in the way of sides.
1-10 test 250mg/wk
1-4 dbol 25mg/ed

save the proviron and anavar for another cycle when you actually have enough.
run your clomid 2 - 3 weeks after you last injection. I wouldn't worry too much about not having hcg because it's a very light cycle.
 
wnt2bBeast said:
500mg test/wk 1-10 thats it and plan your pct..solid first cycle..make sure diet and training are top notch..

yep, keep it nice and simple! i think i'm gonna give wnt2Beast some k!
 
Holy shit! I fucking forgot about this whole karma thing! Damn! I must have forgotten to give karma on tons of dudes. Got to keep my eyes open. Karma is going to you too bro.
 
WK1-4: 500mg Test
WK5-6: 250mg Test, 30mgED Var
WK7-8: 30mg ED Var
PCT: Clomid/Proviron/Clen

I LIKE THIS ONE, 500 TEST A WEEK IS TOO MUCH FROM MY POINT OF VIEW
 
PRoXoNEtAPiMpbitch said:
WK1-4: 500mg Test
WK5-6: 250mg Test, 30mgED Var
WK7-8: 30mg ED Var
PCT: Clomid/Proviron/Clen

I LIKE THIS ONE, 500 TEST A WEEK IS TOO MUCH FROM MY POINT OF VIEW
in case you havent noticed wks 1-4 are 500mg of test in that cycle
:confused:
 
So everybody thinks I should run the test and nobody thinks I should run all 3, it seems. And in addition no one likes an Anavar dbol combo. I take it that 2 orals are a no no.

Running dbol alone for a bit until I can get the ancillaries also crossed my mind. Will the muscle I gain on dbol alone evaporate a month later if not paired with something else?
 
Will the muscle I gain on dbol alone evaporate a month later if not paired with something else?[/QUOTE]

muscle is muscle it doesn't matter if you took one steriod, 10 steroids, or none at all. Actual muscle will not "evaporate" in a month.
But, the water weight that dbol gives you will gow away rather quickley.
 
The fellas are right about the first cycle. Your body is more sensitive thus only need low dosage to boot. I started my first cycle 2 weeks ago and I'm up from 165lbs to 172lbs already. My cycle is like this:
wk 1-4 dbol 20mg on training days...10mg on off days
wk 1-13 test cyp 200mg wkly
wk 1-12 EQ 400mg wkly
liquidex .5mg eod
my diet is clean (low sodium, moderate fat) at about 3200-3400 cals a day and I plan on working it up to about 4000 cals by wk 4.
 
No need for both orals. If it were me I'd use the Anavar, keep the estro conversion to a minimum. Save the Dbol for the next, see how gyno prone you are. If all you have is 13 proviron I'd save it till I had a whole lot more.
 
hammertime30 said:
The fellas are right about the first cycle. Your body is more sensitive thus only need low dosage to boot. I started my first cycle 2 weeks ago and I'm up from 165lbs to 172lbs already. My cycle is like this:
wk 1-4 dbol 20mg on training days...10mg on off days
wk 1-13 test cyp 200mg wkly
wk 1-12 EQ 400mg wkly
liquidex .5mg eod
my diet is clean (low sodium, moderate fat) at about 3200-3400 cals a day and I plan on working it up to about 4000 cals by wk 4.

why are you lowering your dbol dose on non training days????????????
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why are you lowering your dbol dose on non training days????????????

I've heard a few guys doing this and had good gains. Plus in "Anabolic 2004" it recommends taking 4 tabs 5 times and week and taking sat and sun off. There is no one way to do it being that dbol stays around only 4 hours anyway so it's pretty impossible to keep blood levels steady. Some say 10mg is enough, some say 20mg is enough, and some say 30mg is enough. Some recommend splitting and some recommend taking all at once. I mean is it more stress on the liver by consistantly hitting it every 4 hours or is it better to hit it once and let your liver chill for the other 20 hours before hitting it again? I threw dbol in the mix for a kick start and nothing more which is why I'm only going up to 20mg max. It's working for me with virtually no bloat thus far, so basically no one can really say until your body tells you!
 
whether your taking 10 or 100 mg per day of d-bol i would brake it into 3 doses and keep it the same mg no matter what, training day or not..you do grow when you are at rest belive it or not!!!!!!!!! I would want the anabolics in my system..thats what liver supps are for...i havent read anabolics '04 but that must be a typo cause its plain stupid to take it that way!!!
 
wnt2bBeast said:
whether your taking 10 or 100 mg per day of d-bol i would brake it into 3 doses and keep it the same mg no matter what, training day or not..you do grow when you are at rest belive it or not!!!!!!!!! I would want the anabolics in my system..thats what liver supps are for...i havent read anabolics '04 but that must be a typo cause its plain stupid to take it that way!!!

Quote from Big Cat:
"Dianabol simply is highly effective in low doses(25-40 mg ed). Som say Anadrol, a comparable steroid to methandrostenolone, is better, but its taken in doses of 50-150 mg. If one was to take methandrostenolone in those doses better gains could be expected. Methandrostenolone is also a lot safer in as opposed to the highly toxic and progestagenic anadrol. If one takes into account that the half-life of methandrostenolone in the body is only 3-6 hours, this theory makes even more sense. So taking your daily dose spread over 3 or 4 doses may elicit a better effect than only 1 or 2 doses. Methandrostenolone is quite effective in these lower doses by the way. Milligram for Milligram its more powerful than a testosterone ester, generally considered the best mass-builder.

A few notes there need to be made however. Not everyone should try and spread their doses out over multiple servings. First of all there is a slightly lower efficacy to take into account here as well due to two characteristics. The first being that you feed the total amount to the liver in smaller portions, yet the liver still manages to metabolize the same amount. Percentage wise that means less methandienone would make it through totally. The second would be that the peak levels aren't quite as high since no large doses are taken all at once. These two facts make it hard to recommend that just anyone take multiple doses. People who take moderate to low doses of ONLY methandrostenolone should probably opt for a single morning dose. This delivers a higher peak level and more survival of your only steroid. It also, due to the short half-life, makes the drug clear the body before the body produces its largest dose of natural testosterone, the early hours of sleep. Combined with the already mild effect at the AR, you could keep a good amount of your gains when using clomid or Nolvadex post-cycle. For those using it in conjunction with other, mostly injectable steroids, two doses seems to be the better choice, if you are taking in excess of 40 mg a day perhaps even three doses.

Quote from Anabolics 2004:
"The half-life of Dianabol is only about 3 to 5 hours a relatively short time. This means that a single daily dosage schedule will produce a varying blood level, with ups and downs troughout the day
The user likewise has a choice, to either split up thetablets during the day or to take them all at one time. he usual recommendation has been to divid them and try to regulate the concentration in your blood.
This however, will produce a lower peak lood level than if the tablets were taken all at once, so there may be a trade off with this option. The steroid researcher Bill Roberts also points out that a single-episode
dosing schedule should have a les dramatic impact on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis, as there is a sufficient
period each day where steroid hormone levels are not extremely exaggerated. I tend to doubt that hormonal stability can be maintained
during such a cycle however, but do notice that anecdotal evidence often still supports single daily doses to be better for
overall results. Perhaps this is the better option. Since we know that blood concentration will peak about 1.5 to 3 hours
after administration, we may further wonder the best time to take our tablets. It seems logical tat taking the pills earlier in the day,
preferably some time before training, would be optimal. This would allow a considerable number of daytime hours for an
androgen rich metabolism to heighten the uptake o nutrients, especially the critical hours following training."

I may not have alot of experience with AAS but I do know quite a bit about training, nutritional and rest about 11 years worth, so yes I know that your body grows when resting that's nothing new. Not saying what your saying doesn't make sense as well, but also to note that everyone's body responds differently and
in order to know how your body responds, you must experiment a little to find out. Me I prefer experimenting with lower
dosages and there are many one here who would say that taking only 200mg of test is stupid and a waste...while I can also say that taking 500mg of test is stupid and a waste being that your body don't produce that much weekly so why in the hell do you need it...When it comes down to it, it's up to the user to decide rather the end result is good or bad!
 
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