Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hey guys, i'm trying to do some research on what to do for a potential first cycle...I'm not ready for one right now, i have some things that i need to get in order first (diet, cardio)...i'm actually doing pretty good....eating clean (for the most part), lifting 3-4 times a week (been doing this for a good year w/ only a few weeks off for a tonsillectomy), and doing cardio about 3 times a week (going to try and up that to maybe 4-5)...but i want to try and reach some kind of plateau before i try anything else...i posted on here about T-3 and then decided that that wasn't a good idea at all for me....i'm 5'7'', 129 lbs, 21 yrs old, body fat at around 20-21%....my goals are basically to drop the bodyfat to about 17-18%, harden up and gain a little mass...i can feel hard muscles underneath this little layer of fat...i just want to expose them!!! so basically, i just want your input on what you think i should do...i've been researching ANAVAR...sounded pretty legit and also pretty mild...which is good with me...basically i want to know what i can expect from this type of steroid and also about the cost ....last night i did a lot of research on CLEN and thought that it sounded like a good alternative to AS with about the same results...am i correct on this?? would like to know what the experts on here recommended for someone like me....thanks a lot...katie
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well, i haven't really gotten any replies on this, but in the meantime i've done TONS of research...i think i've decided that either anavar or primo is the way to go for me...even though it's gonna be costly...i think it's worth is to me to be safe and not have to worry too much about the sides...i was thinking of maybe taking a little T-3 along with this?? is this advisable, if so, at what dosage?? any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated....oh yeah, and what brands of anavar are the best??
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I would stick with the clean diet and training for a while....you will progress for quite sometime if you give it time and consistency on your part. #1 choice would be anavar...hands down...5mgs to start...10mgs if no sides etc....you will make nice gains..and keep most of them as well...clen is no better than a good ECA stack if you ask me...just costs more $$$$....I would stay away from Primo....too many sides for the amount of gains and what you are looking for...your cycle will be costly...but anavar would be so worth it....If you do plan to do T3 just make sure you are on AAS...do not take it alone. And remember AAS do not make you lose BF%....help you perserve while dieting....no magic there
yeah, i have definitley ruled the clen and primo out after reading some more info on both of them....decided that ana was a good thing...and yes, i am waiting a while before starting this whole thing...at least a couple of months...i already have a pretty good diet but yesterday decided that if i'm going to start the ana in a few months that i needed to be really strict leading up to it...so i tweaked my diet last night and decided to maybe do a 40/30/ 30 (40% protein) with about 1500-1600 cals per day...i think that once i start the cycle i will probably need to up this about....the way i figured it, i'm going to get about 150 to 165 gms of protein a day...i thought this was sufficient....changed all my carbs to complex once...cut out dairy and sugars, also took the natural peanut butter out 
i think that i will be able to see some progress with this alone...i'm still gonna be lifting 3 times a week...with at least 3 days of cardio...right now i have 2 weeks left of adipo, so i'm gonna finish that out and then see where i'm at....i still would like some ideas on what brand of anavar and also some ideas about a taper for the t-3 (my ana cycle is gonna be 8 weeks long i think)....thanks, katie
i think that i will be able to see some progress with this alone...i'm still gonna be lifting 3 times a week...with at least 3 days of cardio...right now i have 2 weeks left of adipo, so i'm gonna finish that out and then see where i'm at....i still would like some ideas on what brand of anavar and also some ideas about a taper for the t-3 (my ana cycle is gonna be 8 weeks long i think)....thanks, katieNubianBeauty
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As far as brands of Ox, I would say since this is your first cycle that you would be OK with any brand except IP I personally have never used any of his products but you never know what you're getting with him. So as a first option maybe BTG/Spa(seem to running neck and neck) Bratis Labs, Ttokkyo, or Loeffler(new)... in that order
I personally have never used any of his products but you never know what you're getting with him. So as a first option maybe BTG/Spa(seem to running neck and neck) Bratis Labs, Ttokkyo, or Loeffler(new)... in that order NubianBeauty
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IMO, T3 is overrated... if you are doing Ox only and @ 5-10mgs if you use T3 you will still burn muscle. IMO 5mg Ox is not strong enough to combat the catabolism of T3.
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Now that's not the gospel, just my opinionKEL said:
I didn't know that and don't recall it being addressed. Thanks NB.
Actually Lobo and I talked recently about how much Ox when on T3 and he didn't think 5mg was enough. He thought maybe you could get away with 7.5mg but 10 would be better. Ultimately I decided to pass on the stuff for quite some time. It seems to me that the only appropriate use of T3 is when you are getting really really low bfp wise and are needing it to get that last little bit off for competeing or you just want to be super lean for some reason. If you need it to get to say 12 or 14% then there is a big problem with the diet and training that is still going to be there when you aren't on the T3 and ultimately you will end up right back where you started. God knows I have been wrong before but it seems to me that using T3 at a high bfp is like swatting flies with a .44mag.
chris oh...you are exactly right...ya'll freakin beat our asses...i was so pissed...but i'm over it i actually have several friends at tech...anyways, about the t-3...i was planning on doing about 5 mg for the first 2 weeks and then going up to 10 mg per day...i only have 50- 10mg tablets to work with here...and with this dosage i will need exactly 49, so i guess i will be able to go 8 weeks and 1 day!! how long is a typical t-3 cycle?? would it be so bad if i did the t-3 along with the ana since i'm only going to do the 5 mg for 2 weeks and the rest at 10???? let me know...katie
i actually have several friends at tech...anyways, about the t-3...i was planning on doing about 5 mg for the first 2 weeks and then going up to 10 mg per day...i only have 50- 10mg tablets to work with here...and with this dosage i will need exactly 49, so i guess i will be able to go 8 weeks and 1 day!! how long is a typical t-3 cycle?? would it be so bad if i did the t-3 along with the ana since i'm only going to do the 5 mg for 2 weeks and the rest at 10???? let me know...katie
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haha, it was good game, but to get on your good side, I wasn't in the mob that ripped down the goalpost and rammed it into your band . I sure as heck hope you mean mcg when you're talking about T3, not mg... but for T3, I would try to keep it as short as possible since it's notorious for it's catabolic effects, doing cardio on T3 will result in more sweating and fat loss but also muscle loss, that's why a lot of people stack it with clen. i dont know about the dosages for women so I'm not even going to risk commenting on yours but it's very low compared to doses for males. I've heard pyramiding the T3 works too. Bump for more posts.
. I sure as heck hope you mean mcg when you're talking about T3, not mg... but for T3, I would try to keep it as short as possible since it's notorious for it's catabolic effects, doing cardio on T3 will result in more sweating and fat loss but also muscle loss, that's why a lot of people stack it with clen. i dont know about the dosages for women so I'm not even going to risk commenting on yours but it's very low compared to doses for males. I've heard pyramiding the T3 works too. Bump for more posts.If Lobo says 5mg Ox isn't enough to prevent catabolism then I would not do T3 on only 5mg even for a short amount of time. Get more Ox or skip the T3.
Here is a link that has the links to everything you ever wanted to know about T3 and then some.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107333&highlight=t3
Here is a link that has the links to everything you ever wanted to know about T3 and then some.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107333&highlight=t3
You misunderstood what I was saying, hun. If you only have enough ox for 8 weeks and two of those weeks are at 5mg/d which is the correct way to begin an Ox cycle then I would not recommend that you add the T3 until you switch to the 110mg/d dose. A T3 cycle usually runs 8 weeks and at that point you will only have enough Ox left for 6 weeks. If you have never use Adipo or an ECa then you are right, those should be used long before you dabble with the T3.
actually yes i have taken adipo before...i'm just really wanting to see a reduction in bodyfat after this cycle....my diet will be spotless the whole time for sure...i guess i'm just trying to lose as much bodyfat as possible...i want to get as much as i can out of it...i'll try to look into it some more or maybe just do the t-3 when i bump up to 10 mg and only run it for 6 weeks...who knows?
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