FIRST CYCLE Results 2 weeks on 4 off!

[Realgains]

I set up a cycle for a good buddy....his very first. Here it is and his results...

It was a short cycle at two weeks on and four weeks off.
ONLY USE SHORT ESTERS FOR INJECTABLES. ALWAYS FRONT LOAD.

One day prior to start did 1 tab of Arimidex.
Day one... 100mg of home made tren and 300 mg of prop for front loads. Also did .5 tab of arimidex and continued with this dose on a daily basis until day 18

Day 2 -11....50mg of tren and 100mg of prop. Last shot of prop.
Day12 dropped the prop and only did 50mg of tren.
Day 13 and 14 nothing.
Day 15 300mg of clomid
Days16-22 100mg of clomid
Days 23-36 50mg of clomid

Training.. every other day on a three way split. Low to moderate volume and fairly high intensity.
Diet....200g more protein per day than normally...thats about 350grams. Ate like a staving man ....low fat except for lots of Omega 3 and 6 oils.

Results.....kept 9 pounds all muscle!! NO SIDES AT ALL! His hair is thinning and he experience NO hair loss from this cycle.
Strength...through the roof.
Felt...good but wired..very strong.

Dudes this type of cycle can be done all year as you are only on one third of the year. Very safe cycle and no probs with recovery at all . Good cycle for those concerned about health/sides and for the newbie that has a good buddy to be the sticker man he he he . AND NO tren is not toxic to the Kidneys dudes.

OPTIONS.......could also use winny at 50mg per day.
Could use d-bol at 50 mg per day in five divided doses instead of the prop...and use winny with it too.
Gains may have been even better with 50mg of dbol instead of the prop as you could continue it until day 14.

Ultimate 2 on 4 off cycle would be TREN as above and 50 mg of dbol in five divided doses and 50 mg of winny IM.

 

[Realgains]

OH I forgot to add...my buddy is an old dude(40) like me he he he

 

[OMEGA]

hmm?

 

[Realgains]

hmm?

Bro go to www.mesorx.com

Guru Bill Roberts has been advocating this type of cycle for years and all his clients have gotten good results, not as good as a long cycle but pretty darn good.

 

[Counterstrike]

well sounds good for 2 weeks on and 4 off but i think i would ofdone 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. like you stated if its 2 weeks you can only use fast acting drugs liek suspension or prop and some others but liek winny you would have to up the cycle up to 4 weks soemdrugs take atleast a couple of weeks to kick in

 

[Realgains]

well sounds good for 2 weeks on and 4 off but i think i would ofdone 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. like you stated if its 2 weeks you can only use fast acting drugs liek suspension or prop and some others but liek winny you would have to up the cycle up to 4 weks soemdrugs take atleast a couple of weeks to kick in

Bro the whole idea to the two on four off cycle is to keep recovery quick and easy.

During the first two weeks of a cycle the pituitary is not inhibited..only the hypothalamus. It produces much less LHRH as a result of the very high androgen levels. Now the pituitary is not inhibited at all and is in fact hyper sensitized to LHRH. After two weeks the pituitary also becomes inhibited....this is a deep type of inhibition.

If you stop at two weeks, before the pituitary becomes inhibited, then recovery is very quick and good.

As stated.... after two weeks the pituitary goes to sleep. A four week cycle then has no advantage over an 8 week cycle so you might as well do an 8 week cycle over a four week cycle.
More serious inhibition occurs after 12-14 weeks but the difference between a three week cycle and an 8 week cycle, as far as inhibition is concerned , is nill or close to nill.

 

[Twitched]

Bro the whole idea to the two on four off cycle is to keep recovery quick and easy.

During the first two weeks of a cycle the pituitary is not inhibited..only the hypothalamus. It produces much less LHRH as a result of the very high androgen levels. Now the pituitary is not inhibited at all and is in fact hyper sensitized to LHRH. After two weeks the pituitary also becomes inhibited....this is a deep type of inhibition.

If you stop at two weeks, before the pituitary becomes inhibited, then recovery is very quick and good.

As stated.... after two weeks the pituitary goes to sleep. A four week cycle then has no advantage over an 8 week cycle so you might as well do an 8 week cycle over a four week cycle.
More serious inhibition occurs after 12-14 weeks but the difference between a three week cycle and an 8 week cycle, as far as inhibition is concerned , is nill or close to nill.

Exactly.

If you are going to take 2 steps back from doing a cycle of any length over a few weeks, then you had better take 4 steps forward by making it a 8-10wk cycle.

 

[Counterstrike]

you lost me but what i'm plannign so far is 6 weeks of prop and winny

 

[Realgains]

Go to www.mesorx.com
Look up "Inhibition and Recovery of Natural Testosterone levels" in the atricles.

Also look up the 2 on 4 off cycle example.

Great stuff!!

 

[GateKeeper]

Good post, i've been looking into this type of cycle, decided it's a little too much for a first time user . but its still good to see what kind of results you can get from this. btw, if you're only on two weeks couldn't you get away without using clomid. since your HPTA wouldn't shut down?

 

[Realgains]

Good post, i've been looking into this type of cycle, decided it's a little too much for a first time user . but its still good to see what kind of results you can get from this. btw, if you're only on two weeks couldn't you get away without using clomid. since your HPTA wouldn't shut down?

You may get away with not using clomid but it is better to hammer the testes at the end just to maximize gains kept....the high doses will shut them down pronto in less than one week.
With clomid ones natural test level comes back very rapidly and even above normal for a while.....see the mesorx article.
Besides the clomid is very safe to use.

Good point though...if you did not have access to clomid then this type of cycle would be the only one I would do.

TOO MUCH GEAR?? Well it is a lot but remember it is only for 11 days for the prop and 12 for the Tren and maybe 14 for d-bol.
You really need to hammer the receptors and quickly too in order to get the most from this type of cycle.
All in all it is way safer and conservative than an 8 week cycle of test/d-bol for example.

Don't let the Tren and the front loading scare you. As I mentioned before you can inject with a 27 gauge pin...it just goes in very slowly....don't feel a thing with a 27 gauge pin he he he

If you are afraid of the 300mg prop front load and the 100mg per day then use d-bol at 50 mg per day in five divided doses.

You might want to try a very conservative test cycle first say at 400 mg per week for eight weeks and then throw in 50 of tren for the last couple weeks just to see how your body reacts to these compounds......but I don't think it is really necessary.

Definately get a bro to help you with the daily pokes if you are a newbie...unless you are an RN or something he he he

 

[Realgains]

bump for pm's

 

[Counterstrike]

ok yuo said he gain 9 pounds and strength went through the roof but i want examples of his strength b/ is hard to believe on a 2 week cycle strength is way up there. how much did he increase in evrything he lifts? i also like to see how long he's really going to keep all the strength he gained. sorry but 2 week cycle i just don't see it maybe 4 yes but 2 hmmm.

 

[reconnect]

hmm i'll give at try with 50mg dbol next time

 

[Dai Kaioushin]

These short cycles particulary interest me! I'll give it a try with test prop/dball next month... Every time I bulk I notice that most of the weights come up on the first two-three weeks.

 

[Counterstrike]

I just can't see you gaining any kind of strength for 2 weeks only.
you stated you could use winny instead of dbol but i always hear winny takes up to 4 weeks to notice anything. I don't trust 2 weeks good enough time to bloat up gain some weight but not everyone is out to bloat out we all want the strength takes 4-6 weeks to get good strength of a cycle

 

[BigAndy69]

Why are you front loading short ester drugs!??

 

[Realgains]

Why are you front loading short ester drugs!??

The half life of tren and prop is about three days...you can and should front load them ...you want blood levels up NOW, in a matter of hours, with this type of cycle as you only are on for 12 days with the injectables.

Here is the best short cycle IMO
Day one D-bol 50mg in five divided doses and last dose at Supper time on day 14
Day one Tren 100mg and then 50-75 per day with last dose day12 am
Day one Winny at 50...no need to front load winny due to very short half life...continue with 50/day with last shot on day 14 am

Day 15 begin clomid.

Natural test levels come back pronto and a little higher than normal for a week or two.....so you continue to train for two weeks with a higher than normal natural test level.
Then it drops back to normal...so you train for two more weeks at a normal level.
Now you are ready to start another two week cycle

This can be done year round as yu are only on one third of the time. It works, and it is healthier than the traditional cycles.

www.mesorx.com and look up the example from Guru Bill Roberts's student. 2 on 4 off

HUCK is well aware of this type of cycle too as are many others

Peace

 

[Realgains]

I just can't see you gaining any kind of strength for 2 weeks only.
you stated you could use winny instead of dbol but i always hear winny takes up to 4 weeks to notice anything. I don't trust 2 weeks good enough time to bloat up gain some weight but not everyone is out to bloat out we all want the strength takes 4-6 weeks to get good strength of a cycle

Not so bro if you use short acting eters, front load and throw in d-bol. You will have peak blood levels by day two on this cycle. On traditional cycles you get peak blood levels of the longer acting esters after 12 days depending on the ester of course and if you front loaded or not.

A man under his natural limit can gain very well on this type of cycle ...5 to 8 or 9 pounds is possible.
Even a very big man can gain a few pounds of pure muscle. Bill Roberts has many examples and many men have thanked him for inventing this cycle.

True it isn't as good as a long cycle but then again the idea is to not be on very long at all and still gain. This cycle is good for a change of pace or for the cautious.
I think it is a good choice for a newbie...just use the d-bol and tren and have a good pal be the sticker man if you like .

 

[bigmarco]

I am going to start a two week cycle starting in April. I will post before middle after and two weeks after photos. I am going to have a blood test done next week and two week after.

Drugs

75 mg tren 1-12
50 mg dbol 1-14
100mg prop 1-11

day 15 400 mg primo
day 15 - 42 20mg dbol
day 22 400 mg primo

If this cycle does not work well I will not proceed with the next two week cycle, but will wait another two weeks and start a traditional 8 week monster.

Stay tuned

 

[Realgains]

ok yuo said he gain 9 pounds and strength went through the roof but i want examples of his strength b/ is hard to believe on a 2 week cycle strength is way up there. how much did he increase in evrything he lifts? i also like to see how long he's really going to keep all the strength he gained. sorry but 2 week cycle i just don't see it maybe 4 yes but 2 hmmm.

Okay this is an example bro

Bench pre cycle 225....one week post cycle 260 and 4 weeks post 265.
Squat pre cycle 290 and one week post cycle 350....4 weeks post 355.

He never felt that he did not have enough androgen in his system at any time post cycle.