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aced1

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Hello guys. i wanted to ask a few things about my first cycle. just bought some anavar supplies.going to use it without any other products

-what dosage should i follow and for how long
-will i need PCT and what?
-what are the possible side effects?
-will it help my bulking ?

23 years old ,170cm , 70 kg, around 9% bodyfat

thanks in advance .
 
It amazes me how people will buy anabolic steroids and put these drugs in their body, having done absolutely zero percent of research on their own.
 
aced1 said:
Hello guys. i wanted to ask a few things about my first cycle. just bought some anavar supplies.going to use it without any other products

-what dosage should i follow and for how long
-will i need PCT and what?
-what are the possible side effects?
-will it help my bulking ?

23 years old ,170cm , 70 kg, around 9% bodyfat

thanks in advance .
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Google is your friend. Come on man... You're an adult at 23... Use some common sense.
 
aced1 said:
Hello guys. i wanted to ask a few things about my first cycle. just bought some anavar supplies.going to use it without any other products

-what dosage should i follow and for how long
-will i need PCT and what?
-what are the possible side effects?
-will it help my bulking ?

23 years old ,170cm , 70 kg, around 9% bodyfat

thanks in advance .
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No one here is going to spoon feed you the info your lookin for! Do some research and gain some knowledge on your subject; then come back here and tell us what you have learned and what plan you think you might take when it comes to pct/dosages/sides ect! Then people will chime in and help critique your suggested layout and give great advice! If you don't know anything about var you shouldn't be taking it!
 
DtownG said:
No one here is going to spoon feed you the info your lookin for! Do some research and gain some knowledge on your subject; then come back here and tell us what you have learned and what plan you think you might take when it comes to pct/dosages/sides ect! Then people will chime in and help critique your suggested layout and give great advice! If you don't know anything about var you shouldn't be taking it!
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Well im not an expert but heres what i have to say, my buddy took anavar alone to cut up during the summer last year, no pct it was only for a few weeks i think, he made some gains.....
 
wow guys you got me all wrong. of course i have done my research
but everything i have learned are just in theory. i mean
as for dosage i would say 50mg per day for 6 weeks. for pct
all i habe found is nolva. as for sides im reading different thinngs in
almost any site i visit from nothing to testicular problems.
now i asked about bulking. yeah i know anavar is good for
cutting but i have red avout good gains too.
btw im sorry if i gave you the feeling that im a bored guy who
cant use google but i just wanted to make clear that have never
spoken with people that have used var and all my knowledge is just
theory.thats why i need your opinions.
big post i know just wanted to clear things up. thanks again
 
when you just ask a general question it appears you know nothing, obviously. the difference between being told what you need to know and researching it is so you know why shit happens, not just take 'item a' from week 1-4, 'item b' incase of 'side effect a,' etc. post your diet and routine in the proper forums and get the more important advice in there first. so many ppl say they cant get past 150 lbs and their diet/routine is top shelf. well its not, and i was one of those people so i know from exp. diet/routine are your problem not what steroids your not taking
 
When you ask questions like "do i need PCT", and "what are the side effects" then people assume you haven't done your due dilligence. I still don't think you know as much as you think you do. Anyways...

I'm in your position except 10 years older and I don't have any anavar at present, but i have been doing my own research and like the plan laid out by needtogetaas below by week:

1-8 Var 80mg every day
4-8 HCGenerate 5 caps a day 3 am 2 pm
1-8 creatine ( Ancient strength 5-10g a day you can go as high as 15 even but for you keep it to 5 i say)
8-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm every day for the first 4 weeks then drop down to 3 am and pm for the last 2 weeks.
8-12 Unleashed and post cycle 1 cap pf each 3 times a day

This adds creatine for muscle gains, prevention which i need during, and ups test at the end, which i need but you at 23 might not. I'm looking for slight size gains, definite strength gains, and mostly a reduction in BF.
 
ok after more research i came up with this plan:
-anavar 40-50mg/day (how much?) for 4 weeks(are they enough or i should try 5-6?)
-pct unleashed, after end of cycle i will run some blood tests and if my test is low il go for it
-maybe some liver protect on cycle

is that any good?
 
Dont do var alone, if you are looking to put on weight.Its a wasted cycle,atleast add some test in there.
 
sure its not worth it? because i've seen a lot of posts saying that by using var alone they had good weight + strenght results :/
 
People who gain off var only USUALLY have their diet and training in check and your going to need to in order to get the best results out of a var only cycle but if you're dialed in with your body you can make huge gains with var however I wouldn't consider it a good bulking cycle not visibly anyways I'm on my 15 th day at 40 mgs Ed and I've gained 6 lbs but visibly I look smaller and just more dense which is the look I like I can only say its awesome to cut with because I'm on maintenance calories with an extra seven egg whites a day and I'm gaining lbm, losing fat and getting stronger ( a lot stronger)
 
okay after all suggestions and opinions (thanks all) im going to run anavar next month when my bulk will be over and my cutting (goal is to have clean gains and reduce bf just a little) will begin. the final plan i came up is this :

-var 50mg/day for 4 or maybe 5 weeks need suggestions on that
-unleashed for another 4 weeks 3 caps a day (pct)

how about that?
 
aced1 said:
okay after all suggestions and opinions (thanks all) im going to run anavar next month when my bulk will be over and my cutting (goal is to have clean gains and reduce bf just a little) will begin. the final plan i came up is this :

-var 50mg/day for 4 or maybe 5 weeks need suggestions on that
-unleashed for another 4 weeks 3 caps a day (pct)

how about that?
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I think that you are partly true that the internet is full of contradictory claims. Some articles may have been written by people, who theirselves have never used the stuff they describe. Especially Anavar was a steroid about which people spun many myths, because hardly anybody used it because of its high price. Praxis is often different than theory - and I must laugh, when someone still describes Wistrol as a "mild steroid". LOL

But back to your questions: If you are a novice, I think that 50 mg/day would be entirely sufficient to feel some effect. At this dose, I wouldn't be afraid to run it for 8 weeks. You must reckon with that your cholesterol will be quickly ruined anyway, but liver values should stay within the normal range. You can do some blood tests after 6 weeks, after all. Visible side effects should be nil - perhaps several little pimples on your face. Decreased libido is possible with the growing length of the cycle. But it is individual. If you do blood tests (which you should do) and your testosterone is suppressed after the cycle, then you must do a very aggressive PCT. Some people don't suffer from suppression and they recover quickly - which is not my case, however. Personally I think that after 8 weeks, testosterone suppression will be very pronounced.

If you expect that you will explode on Anavar and that it will turn you into Rambo after one cycle, you will be very disappointed. It is a steroid that primarily produces hardness (muscle definition) and strength, not size. The muscle gains are eventually nice and better than after aromatizing drugs, but it will take several years and several cycles, until you appreciate it. And at high body fat, you probably won't see anything.
 
thats why i was thinkin of a 4 week cycle so i wont get too much testosterone suppression..but will it be enough to see some good results or its a too short cycle? talking about 50mg/day
 
Listen son, if you want to do this right heres what I would do

40mg ed of Var. taken in AM and PM in equal doses
Creatine (whatever form of it you want to get)
Glutamine
Train like an animal, heavy as hell for 10 reps on almost everything except abs.
Drink as much milk and eat as much meat as possible. You want your protien intake to be at least 250g per day. if this means 3 protien shakes per day then so be it. Your gonna have to shock your body into growing.
get a mens multivitimin and run it through the entire cycle and pct.
Clomid and Nolva is all your going to need for pct if you only run it for 6 weeks. for a short duration, low dose var cycle, you wont need to take 12 different things for your pct. if it was a 12 week test/deca/tren cycle, then you definately would. PCT and diet are the key to keeping your gains. You should get a good strength boost from the Var. Everything I have just said has been wirtten almost word for word online somewhere at some point you just need to do lots of digging.

Fill your mind with knowledge before you fill your body with compounds.
 
jerome simpson said:
When you ask questions like "do i need PCT", and "what are the side effects" then people assume you haven't done your due dilligence. I still don't think you know as much as you think you do. Anyways...

I'm in your position except 10 years older and I don't have any anavar at present, but i have been doing my own research and like the plan laid out by needtogetaas below by week:

1-8 Var 80mg every day
4-8 HCGenerate 5 caps a day 3 am 2 pm
1-8 creatine ( Ancient strength 5-10g a day you can go as high as 15 even but for you keep it to 5 i say)
8-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm every day for the first 4 weeks then drop down to 3 am and pm for the last 2 weeks.
8-12 Unleashed and post cycle 1 cap pf each 3 times a day

This adds creatine for muscle gains, prevention which i need during, and ups test at the end, which i need but you at 23 might not. I'm looking for slight size gains, definite strength gains, and mostly a reduction in BF.
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This would cost a fortune for gains that aren't worth it op go with some test prop
 
aced1 said:
thats why i was thinkin of a 4 week cycle so i wont get too much testosterone suppression..but will it be enough to see some good results or its a too short cycle? talking about 50mg/day
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Four weeks is too little. Other question is if it doesn't stop working after some time. For example, sometimes I observe that Anavar ceases to be effective after mere 5 weeks.

Otherwise I would basically agree with the poster above, although I am not a fan of excessive protein doses. There is a certain limit that the body can use. Several years ago I read a nice study showing that the capacity of the human body to use proteins stops at 2 g/body weight. Further anabolism was stimulated only by the increase of carbohydrates. But this was a study done in men not using steroids, of course.
 
EliteFitnessGuy said:
Four weeks is too little. Other question is if it doesn't stop working after some time. For example, sometimes I observe that Anavar ceases to be effective after mere 5 weeks.

Otherwise I would basically agree with the poster above, although I am not a fan of excessive protein doses. There is a certain limit that the body can use. Several years ago I read a nice study showing that the capacity of the human body to use proteins stops at 2 g/body weight. Further anabolism was stimulated only by the increase of carbohydrates. But this was a study done in men not using steroids, of course.
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ya i hear ya man, but imo its better to have too much than not enough. if your training hard enough you can use much more protein. if you do just say bi's and tri's one day sure you wont use very much protein your body cant metabolize that much. If you do a very hard back/leg workout its a different story. thats just my opinion.
 
thanks again for replies.i think 50mg day for 6 weeks is what im going to do. supported with some glutamine and creatine (5gr/day).

Train like an animal, heavy as hell for 10 reps on almost everything except abs.
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whats with abs??

btw im really worried about pct. maybe nolva and clomid are the best choises around but they have too much sides.
 
with abs, you do 100 reps. not 10. also you really want to make the most our of your cycle? hit the creatine at 15g per day at least, same with glutamine. continue this after your done the var and it will help maintain the weight. some guys complain about water retention with creatine but with var youll gain little to no water at all. glutamine helps release growth hormone from the brain and helps you recover alot faster so you can do your routine more frequently.
 
ah thats what u ment i thougth no abs at all for the moment ^^ what do u have to say about PCT? like i said i dont want nolva because of its sides..
 
I'd run some HCGen while on cycle to keep your nads working properly so you don't need a serm in your pct and run something like pes erase and a natty test booster with some DAA in it (not from gnc) you shouldn't have to worry about estrogen because anavar doesn't covert to my knowledge but I'd make sure you run your pct for at least a month just to make sure you cover your bases and throw some S1 in your pct to keep loosing fat and keep your strength hell you might keep gaining post cycle if you bounce back quick enough. this is my plan after my 40 day cycle at 40 mgs ed
 
i agree with SRT. nolva and clomid were developed to treat breast cancer, not intended as a PCT. it just so happens to have some effects that help with PCT but also then have there own set of side effects.

with that being said everyone is different and respond to things differently. i like 80 mg daily for 8 weeks and i have minimal shutdown (blood test results, not ball size afterwards)

even if my shutdown was more severe i would still run DAA, and a natty test booster. s1 is really nice to have for PCT. erase apparently helps with cortisol suppression which is what you want in PCT. i have ran it, and my PCT worked like a charm, but without scientific data i cant say exactly how good Erase really is other than that my overall pct worked well
 
DAA's seem to work pretty well for most people, I do see alotta guys get a little carried awsay with pct with var only. back in the day we would run var at 80mg per day for 6 weeks and not bother with any pct, and if you kept the diet and training in check we would still gain a couple pounds (no fat though) after the cycle was done and keep all of it. now days, unleashed seems to work good, I always include a mens multivitimin dosed at usually one tab/cap more than the recomended dosage, and milk thistle or liv 52, but often both. lots of cranberry juice too that stuff is great in shakes. HCG is a good idea it is proven to work quite well too.

10 years ago it was clomid, nolvadex, and whatever else you could find at the drug store in the way of vitimins and health support pills

20 years ago it was little to nothing, maybe some nolva, but mostly diet changes and vitimins.

30 yrs ago you mentioned pct and people would look at you like you had 3 heads.
 
yeah ive ran no pct with var, and honestly felt fine afterwards, maybe i could again too, but im not gonna risk it. that unleashed/post cycle pack is pretty good stuff. dont know of any other product that effects free test. i usually take about 3 grams a day of vit c in pct as that helps with cortisol alot too. im not a big fan of multi vits. most are garbage, made of garbage ingredients, and are just pissed out anyways. dx7 was a really good one, and i find vitastack works well too. when i do shift work i find i sleep better when i take vitastack.

i know lots of ppl say to chew your orals or let dissolve under your tongue. apparently taking orals with grapefruit juice helps protect it as it passes through the liver. i do it just because im superstitious, im sure the actual difference if any is very minimal
 
I did 25mg of the old QV's anavar for 6 weeks. Went from 178 9%bf to 185 8%bf. Basically kept everything with no PCT. You can just throw in Clomid only for PCT and your balls will be good.
 
isnt 25mg/day too little? the results u are talking about are great but i hear from everywhere that if im going to use only var it should be around 40-50mg/day. as for clomid yeah im quite sure it will work but i want to leave it as my last option if i wont find anything else. was thinkin at the moment something like this : on cycle, anavar + HCGenerate + creatine(5-6 weeks)
PCT, Core Test + creatine + vit C (4 weeks)

plus i wanted to ask whats s1? :p never heard of it.
 
I know a lot of people don't run much of a pct for anavar or winstrol usually but I had a pretty sh*t time after I ran winni at 50 mgs for around 45 days ED. I was in a bad place for a while stuff messed me up pretty bad for some reason and I was recommended no pct. I know this doesn't happen to every one but if you can prevent it why even risk it. . . S1 is a sarm that can be run starting the day you come off cycle at 12.5 mg a day and then 25 mgs a day after pct and it supposedly doesn't suppress you if you only run it for a short period of time. It can also be run as a bridge look it up I think this stuffs awesome
 
Id start s1 2 weeks before your last pill, it takes awhile to build up. S4 is quick acting but is a little bit suppressive.
 
aced1 said:
isnt 25mg/day too little? the results u are talking about are great but i hear from everywhere that if im going to use only var it should be around 40-50mg/day. as for clomid yeah im quite sure it will work but i want to leave it as my last option if i wont find anything else. was thinkin at the moment something like this : on cycle, anavar + HCGenerate + creatine(5-6 weeks)
PCT, Core Test + creatine + vit C (4 weeks)

plus i wanted to ask whats s1? :p never heard of it.
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25mg is very low. It was all I had available to me at the time in the bottle I got. It was definitely strong stuff though, good brand. But yeah, 25mg did that to me, a mere 25. 40-50mg/day should really do wonders for you.

S1, probably a sarm? I don't know much about the numbers and letters except HGH lol
 
certain brands of var are better than others, i tried a russian brand a 25mg per day by itself and i gained more than the underground american stuff i tried previously at 40mg. I have run Var and Halo without a very simple pct and i kept pretty much everything i gained. (halo gains were 4x than of var in terms of strength) clomid or some nolva will be all you need to reverse any shutdown, but hcgenerate would be better imo with the unleashed pc.
 
k then i came up with the final plan (thanks everyone for suggestions) :
1-6 weeks 50mg var
1-6 weeks HCGenerate
1-10 weeks creatine
4-10 weeks Core test
4-10 weeks Vit C

think thats good enough

also i wanted to post my train-diet routine to get some advices. should i do it on this thread or go to another one ??
 
I'd add 2 more weeks of var. and there is entire weightlifting and diet sections to post your questions in regarding each topic
 
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