First cycle ever - need help

[goforit]

I am 40 years old 6ft 2” and weight 210lbs. I have done sports since I have memory and I have lifted weight since I was 16. The goal as never been for bodybuilding but as a complement to my sports training and as I grew up, to stay in shape. I don’t have my BF %, but I am quite lean and in very good shape…again.
Now, I said again because I went through a tough period in the last couple of year, which I blame on the use of Propecia ( and maybe a little bit on getting older). I mentioned the Propecia since I used it for a year and a half until I decided to drop it, because I was feeling shitty. I experience all possible bad effect, including feeling extremely weak, loss of libido, and a mild gyno. Before that I have always been extremely active (in all senses) and I felt always very strong (test charged, I would say). Currently, almost two years after dropping the Propecia and after one year of starting training again, I feel much better, but not 100%. I stated doing some research on the effects of aging and I become more aware of the effect that getting older has on Test production. And, as a first step I had a blood test done. My test level come back pretty low 377 ng/dL.

Also, have felt tempted to use some gear, in particular when I saw that guys on my local gym of turn were getting much bigger than me with even less effort than the one I was putting. I always trained very hard, but I was a bit naive. Part of me though using gear was cheating (you know the drill) and my other half was dying to dare to use it. I was also scare of the potential side effects, and back then we were brainwashed about AAS affecting you manhood, loosing hair, etc. Today, I am 40 years old, I have four children, I have lost a substantial amount of hair and I am ready to enjoy the ride and try it for the first time…and blame it on the middle age crisis J

I have used nutritional supplements almost all my life and I got pretty decent results using the usual suspects (creatine, Nitric Oxide, Amino Acids, fat burners, etc) with a good diet. But, I would like to take it one step forward and at least push my test level to the upper side of the normal range.

So, after doing some research, I am planning to start on a Test E only cycle.

GOAL: My goal is not massive weight gains, but lean muscle gain (I knoe you have hear that one before). I thought about putting some additonal carido on my trining plan while on cylce to achieve this, or maybe combine with some Winny in the last 4 weeks of the cycle. Does it makes sense?


My plan is the following.

8-10 Week cycle
Test E 500 mg/week.
Arimidex(or Femara) not sure about the dosage. I decide to take it during the cycle talking into account that I got some gyno during the use of Propecia. (makes sense?)
HCGenerate (is this the right product?)

PCT:
Arimidex (or Nolva) again not sure of the dosage. I need help here. Also, is Clomid a substitute of Nolva, or it has additional benefits.
HCGenerate to minimize recovery time of natural Test production


Am I missing something here? Also, I need to understand how to get the Test. Is Test E a brand name? I assume there have to be good and bad Test enthanate products, but I have no idea.

Thanks in advance for your support.

 

[Stevec]

I saw you made this long post and got no response. Uhhm Im no expert but your cycle doesn't look too bad. I ran a 10 week cycle similar too what you plan. I did test cypoinate 300 mgs x twice a week. Arimidex I used at beginning but had no bloat issues and stopped it. I used clomid and hcgenerate for PCT. I had nolvadex on hand for any gyno but didn't need it. Hope this helps.

 

[Stevec]

As far as getting a good product, find a reputable supplier. Glutes is where I injected with 23 guage 1 and 1/2" syringe. Clean the area before with alcohol wipe, clean top of vial before also. Check the stickies at top of page and that should answer alot of your questions.

 

[goforit]

Thanks for you inputs.

I have read a LOT, but there are still some questions I can not answer by myself, mainly because all the material is written by people who know a lot about this stuff but it is sometimes not understandable by newbies like myself. For example, the question I posted about Nolvade/Clomid/Arimidex. Does these cover the same function (anti –estrogens)? Are they subsitutes of is any of those a safer bet. I understand that Nolva is mainly to prevent gyno and therefore on the top of my list, but what about Arimidex or Clomid?

I am trying to land everything I read into a specific plan, which is not missing anything, and then focus on getting the stuff.

One more thing. During my research I came across people who suggested that for a lean muscle gain goal, a Deca/Winny cycle might be the best option. As I I mentioned before, my goal is not massive mass gains. I am already a big guy and I am looking to gain some lean muscle , and get my test level to the high side of the range (or a bit more maybe!).

 

[C0LUMB0]

Welcome to EF bro,

First thing you need to do is edit your post at the end - where you are asking for a source....this is not allowed here and will get you banned fairly quickly.Go to elite-bodiez.com , join for free and ask that question there .( click on the banner in my signature )

I have read your post from start to finish and it doesnt mention how long you have been back training ?
There is no point jumping on a cycle unless you have got right back into the swing of things and pushed yourself natty.

That being said a 10 week TEST cycle is the way to go.

weeks 1-10 test e @ 500mg - 250mg x 2 ....monday and thursday.
weeks 3-10 hcg 2 x 250iu per week
weeks 1-12 adex 0.5mg EOD ( or you could run forma stanzol while ON )
weeks 1-12 N2GUARD

Start PCT 2 weeks after your last shot of test.
week 10-15 hcgenerate 5 caps ED
week 12 - aromasin 25mg ED
weeks 13-15 aromasin 12.5mg ED
weeks 12-15 phytoserms 347
weeks 12-15 unleashed
week 12-15 post cycle

you can run clomid @ 50mg during PCT and drop the aromasin, clomid makes some people feel fairly shitty tho.

I suggest you do plenty of research on EF before starting the cycle...start with the stickies at the top of the page.
Send me a PM if you need a discount code for all the supps mentioned above.

 

[goforit]

Thanks columbo888' pm sent and post edited.

I have actually never stopped training and I push very hard. I train 4 times a week and I do 2 times cardio on top, so I don't think that's the issue. The big problem for some time was that I was not willing to train, which has never happen to me in my life. Now, I am recovery the mental strength, but It is still not the same. I still push almost the same weight, but I feel a bit weak after. The supplements are helping on that regard, but I am looking for something else, and as I said I always wanted to give it a try...so now looks like the right moment.

Thanks for the detailed plan. One question I have is water retention. I read that it can be an issue with test, and since I am looking for a fit look (while bulky) I was concern about that. That's how I came to the Deca/winny cycle. You don't recommend this? I also read that such a cycle might have milder impact on shut down and therefore better for a first timer. Any thoughts?

 

[C0LUMB0]

Thanks columbo888' pm sent and post edited.

I have actually never stopped training and I push very hard. I train 4 times a week and I do 2 times cardio on top, so I don't think that's the issue. The big problem for some time was that I was not willing to train, which has never happen to me in my life. Now, I am recovery the mental strength, but It is still not the same. I still push almost the same weight, but I feel a bit weak after. The supplements are helping on that regard, but I am looking for something else, and as I said I always wanted to give it a try...so now looks like the right moment.

Thanks for the detailed plan. One question I have is water retention. I read that it can be an issue with test, and since I am looking for a fit look (while bulky) I was concern about that. That's how I came to the Deca/winny cycle. You don't recommend this? I also read that such a cycle might have milder impact on shut down and therefore better for a first timer. Any thoughts?

The AI will reduce bloat bro...go with the forma or adex.

deca and winny is a bad choice for a first time run and IMO a strange stack period.
Deca can shut you down hard... go with test only - you wont be disappointed .

 

[goforit]

The AI will reduce bloat bro...go with the forma or adex.

deca and winny is a bad choice for a first time run and IMO a strange stack period.
Deca can shut you down hard... go with test only - you wont be disappointed .

Thanks. Test only it is!