First Cycle Critique!!

[newpump]

Hey all,

Here is another one of those n00bie first cycle critique threads!! If I were to do a first cycle, here would be my plan:


Tren 75 / EOD - Week 1-6
Prop 250 / EOD - Week 1-8
Clomid the day after my last Prop dose

I would plan on running the tren and the prop together (in the same shot) EOD - so around 4 times per week (the rotation isn't exact though with 7 days in a week.

Here are some questions:

1. Do the doses look good?
2. Would I run the Tren and Prop together (in other words - should I draw out the tren, then draw out the Prop in the same needle?)
3. Does the schedule look good (tren week 1-6 and prop 1-8?)
4. What is the best Clomid and/or nolv plan to maintain gains at the end?
I would try to keep it simple, and learn from all the advice I have recieved on the board.

Keep in mind - this post is for informational purposes only! Do not try this at home

 

[Bulldog_10]

I think 250mg/EOD of prop is a bit much for a first cycle. I'd go with 150mg/EOD. What kinda do you have? If it's testolent, it's not 250mg/ml.

Yes, you can draw them both up with the same needle, just change needles before injecting...you should get some 18g needles to draw with.

You should run the fina and prop the same amount of time, since they have similar half-lives...so 6-8 weeks for each...

Start clomid 3-5 days after your last shot of tren/prop. Use 300mg the first day, then 100mg/ED for the rest of the first week. Then 50mg/ED for the second week, then 50mg/EOD for the last week.

 

[genarr3]

875mgs/week of test is a hella large dose for a first cycle. Not a very good idea in my opinion.

I think you could knock it down to 100mgs EOD.

 

[newpump]

The prop would be Testosterona 100 from Brovel (I'd be scared shitless about the BA levels in this stuff - prolly hurts like a motha - oh well, no pain no gain).

Thanks for the advice Bulldog - I really appreciate it - its rough getting everything set right!!

 

[Bulldog_10]

875mgs/week of test is a hella large dose for a first cycle. Not a very good idea in my opinion.

I think you could knock it down to 100mgs EOD.

It's actually 975mg/wk! Damn Genarr...you're off tonight

 

[newpump]

You guys convinced me - I'm taking it down to 100 per day. I'd really run it just to avoid "tren dick" anyway - I'm hoping to get the most benefit from the tren and not the test - but what the hell do I know, I'm no bio-chemist . Thanks Genarr!

 

[Bulldog_10]

The prop would be Testosterona 100 from Brovel (I'd be scared shitless about the BA levels in this stuff - prolly hurts like a motha - oh well, no pain no gain).

Thanks for the advice Bulldog - I really appreciate it - its rough getting everything set right!!

So you were planning on doing 3.5cc in each shot?

 

[Spoud]

Why not tren 75 mg ED?

Winny?

 

[newpump]

BTW - I was hoping to get the test to around 1 gram per week, but in retrospect, that may be a TAD much for my first time out . Especially because I have no idea how I will react! Most of my buds have the "just go for it" attitude... but I think you guys have a better, and more mature approach!!

 

[newpump]

JEEZ Spoud 75 ED! Hell, I've never even INJECTED ONCE before . I was planning on EOD 'cause this is the first cycle. I'll think about ED if the EOD on tren goes well... but I'm still considering a good pattern. I'm thinking left glute, left delt, right delt, right glute....

 

[Bulldog_10]

QUADS!!!! They are the easiest injections you will ever do! I only shoot in quads...but then again, I'm not shooting ED or EOD.

 

[newpump]

3.5 cc's? DAMN. Ok - now I get it (I'm still slow - flame on everyone!) the test 100 indicates the amount per ML? well, that answers THAT question differently then I was told. DAMN GOOD THING THIS BOARD EXISTS!!!

 

[Spoud]

Jeez

I haven't done my first cycle yet... I am piling up my stock now... Still waiting for my Spectro Fina to come... i also got sust infar, world products deca, papervar to come, primo (if available)... then decide which is the best to go...

I heard that tren is not for newbie...

I've never seen Fina injected EOD before... usually it is ED, that is why i ask.

If Fina is injected ED, what about the testosterone... does anyone know?

 

[Bulldog_10]

3.5 cc's? DAMN. Ok - now I get it (I'm still slow - flame on everyone!) the test 100 indicates the amount per ML? well, that answers THAT question differently then I was told. DAMN GOOD THING THIS BOARD EXISTS!!!

Did you just assume it was 250mg/ml? So really, what you had intended on doing would have been 100mg/EOD of prop anyways?

 

[genarr3]

It's actually 975mg/wk! Damn Genarr...you're off tonight

250mgs EOD

That would be 3 injects one week and 4 the next, so we'll get the average over two weeks.

14 days = 7 injects
7 x 250 = 1750mgs

1750/2 = 875 each week

Yes I've been fucked up all day, so I double checked this one. I think I'm right.

 

[Bulldog_10]

250mgs EOD

That would be 3 injects one week and 4 the next, so we'll get the average over two weeks.

14 days = 7 injects
7 x 250 = 1750mgs

1750/2 = 875 each week

Yes I've been fucked up all day, so I double checked this one. I think I'm right.

I was including the tren too...I thought you were talking overall gear, and i didn't bother with the average, i just used 3 injects per week. So i did it like this: 325*3=975mg/wk

 

[genarr3]

BTW - I was hoping to get the test to around 1 gram per week, but in retrospect, that may be a TAD much for my first time out . Especially because I have no idea how I will react! Most of my buds have the "just go for it" attitude... but I think you guys have a better, and more mature approach!!

Don't listen to your friends, it's your body not thiers, so it's easy for them to say - "Go for it".

 

[genarr3]

I was including the tren too...I thought you were talking overall gear, and i didn't bother with the average, i just used 3 injects per week. So i did it like this: 325*3=975mg/wk

Ok. I was just looking at the test dose.

 

[newpump]

Yeah Spoud, I think Fina ED is better to maintain the concentration in your blood - but I'm not sure I can deal with ED injections yet, so I'm starting EOD. I may switch the fina to ED (if I can take it) but I'll keep the Prop at EOD. I think the reason most people state that Fina isn't a newbie deal is the frequency of injections. I have my r-ALA, milk thistle and water on hand! Now if I can just eat CLEAN for 6 weeks...

 

[newpump]

ROFL Bulldog. yeah I thought it was 250 per ML.. so you are right, I would have done 100 anyway. I'm so stupid (hanging head in shame). I'll never make THAT mistake again!

 

[Bulldog_10]

ROFL Bulldog. yeah I thought it was 250 per ML.. so you are right, I would have done 100 anyway. I'm so stupid (hanging head in shame). I'll never make THAT mistake again!

LOL...It happens to the best of us bro!

 

[newpump]

Thanks Bulldog. So what do you think... 6 or 8 weeks for the Tren/Prop combo? I can do either.

 

[Spoud]

Why test prop? Why not cyp? enanthate? or even sust?

 

[newpump]

Test Prop has a similar half-life to Tren, so many people believe that the Tren/Prop combo is KILLER. I did a few searches on it, and it sounded like a good way to go. I think for the first cycle, I could have chosen Enth or something - but since I am injecting EOD ANYWAY, the prop seemed like a good way to go!

 

[Bulldog_10]

Test Prop has a similar half-life to Tren, so many people believe that the Tren/Prop combo is KILLER. I did a few searches on it, and it sounded like a good way to go. I think for the first cycle, I could have chosen Enth or something - but since I am injecting EOD ANYWAY, the prop seemed like a good way to go!

Exactly right...good thinking. I'd go for 8 weeks since you're only doing 350mg/wk of test and about 250mg/wk of tren...so 8 weeks should be fine. Then start clomid 3-4 days after your last shot and you should be good to go...

Keep us updated bro!
Bulldog

 

[Spoud]

Cool cool...

What is the benefits of combining several AAS with similar half-lives?

 

[Bulldog_10]

Cool cool...

What is the benefits of combining several AAS with similar half-lives?

You can stop them at the same time and time your clomid easier. Why stop the test for 2 weeks, then continue on a shorter acting ester...when you can just run them both up to the same day?

 

[newpump]

Spoud, from what I've been reading, the tren/prop combo is a SOLID combo to use as a base for many cycles to come. I figure I'll go with an EOD/low test cycle as my first and determine how my body reacts to the 2, then build future cycles on this base of compounds. My next cycle will probably be the same with more test and ED Tren injects .

 

[SUST-MAN]

Do some research on Front End Loading.

You should probably take 300mg DAY 1.....then 100mg EOD

 

[newpump]

Is front-loading good for a first cycle Sust-Man? I have been reading up on it, but I figured I'd hold off till my 3rd or later cycles, in order to build up slow, to determine if my body has any sides to the Tren/Prop.... am I being a stupid noobie agian?

 

[genarr3]

Is front-loading good for a first cycle Sust-Man? I have been reading up on it, but I figured I'd hold off till my 3rd or later cycles, in order to build up slow, to determine if my body has any sides to the Tren/Prop.... am I being a stupid noobie agian?

You are correct. There isn't any burning need to frontload fast acting compounds.