Fina making question--please help...

[kingcreed2000]

I have been searching the archives for a bit now but I have a few more questions. Please don't flame too much...I just don't want to make any mistakes making my tren for the first time. Got a couple questions:

1. I am making 4g. The directions I have read are for 2g. Do I draw up 4cc's of oil to purge the sterile filter at the end?

2. Is it best to prefilter using the coffee filter or just stay under the 1 hour rule? Aside from time consumption, what are the benefits if any?

3. If I don't prefilter, how much time from start to finish should the conversion take?

4. Finally, is baking it really necessary?

Thanks for the help fellas. If you can add any more useful info I would greatly appreciate it.

Kingcreed

 

[Zyglamail]

1. you only need 2cc per sterile filter so if you only have one filter you should be fine with 2cc oil set aside.

2. Where are you reading this 1hr rule? I have yet to see any of the manufacturers directions speak of 1hr time limit. Although many directions on sites etc speak of this. Dont worry about the time. WOrse case scenario your product will be stightly darker.

3. the slowest part (assuming you dont prefilter) is waiting for pellets to dissolve in magic. This can be sped up by crushing tabs once in magic or heating solution. Aside from that should only take 20-30 minutes.

4. baking isnt necessary.

 

[OKIE]

1. you only need 2cc per sterile filter so if you only have one filter you should be fine with 2cc oil set aside.

2. Where are you reading this 1hr rule? I have yet to see any of the manufacturers directions speak of 1hr time limit. Although many directions on sites etc speak of this. Dont worry about the time. WOrse case scenario your product will be stightly darker.

3. the slowest part (assuming you dont prefilter) is waiting for pellets to dissolve in magic. This can be sped up by crushing tabs once in magic or heating solution. Aside from that should only take 20-30 minutes.

4. baking isnt necessary.

The instructions at www.finakits.com speaks of the one hour rule. I assume that is what he is referring to.

 

[Zyglamail]

The instructions at www.finakits.com speaks of the one hour rule. I assume that is what he is referring to.

My main point was, When in doubt, follow the instructions from the maker of your kit. Although even if the maker says this I have seen no legitimate reason as to why.

 

[kingcreed2000]

Thanks Zyglamail. I am a bit confused when you say do not worry about time. I am of the understanding that if I let the mixture sit too long, I must prefilter. Am I correct in saying this? Your right. I did get this 1 hr. rule from Finakits.com. From their instructions, if I do not want to prefilter do I just skip steps 11-14? Here is the instruction page. Thanks again.


http://www.finakits.com/

 

[Zyglamail]

I have not used thier kits, but I dont see how letting it sit longer will require prefiltering. I have let mine sit overnight with no problems.

 

[bigfatty]

the 1 hour rule (supposedly) is because after 1 hour the glue oxidizes and then would need to be pre filtered.

First I don't think there is any glue in the pellets, and if you wait under 1 hour like I did all the pellets dont completely dissolve meaning less potent end result.

I would let it dissolve regardless of time, and pre filter with a coffee filter for kicks.

I believe the coffee filter just seperates the big chunks so that the whatman filter doesn't clog up.

Pastureize it in 160 degree water for 15 mins for insurance.

 

[FarBeyondDriven]

The glue is suppose to start to oxidize in the BA after 1 hour supposably. That is suppose to be the 1 hour rule.

I would crush the pellets also, it just takes too long to dissolve hole.

I used the coffee filter and was glad I did, yes it was slow, but well worth it in my opinion. You should of seen all the gunk in that filter once it was through. And it makes the syringe filter much easier from what I understand. I just poured it into the filter and tried to forget about it, which is impossible.

 

[NY Muscle]

I bake it in the oven for 20 min at 250 degrees then let it cool for 20 min and repeat that 2 more times...that ok?


And yes let the pelletes sit overnight...i heat it in water to spead the pellets breaking down then i add the oil and let it sit a few days then i use the coffe filter....

i just finished a 4gF kit from www.finakits.com... personally i think they fucked up and sent me the 2gf cause it didnt seem like much magic solution was in the vial and when i added the 2 kits of pellete the magic solution didnt cover all the pellets and i kept having to swirl and shake it to make it dissolve... and the screw on PLASTIC tops to these odd looking vials i dont like all that much...

 

[kingcreed2000]

I filled my vial of magic solution with the 4g worth of pellets and found that there is absolutely no room left to put the extra oil in. Was I sent the wrong kit? I now have a vial full of pellets and solution and it has completely filled up that vial. Will I be able to proceed with the conversion process if I was sent a 2g kit and tried to use it to convert 4g worth of fina?
Thanks fellas.
Kingcreed

 

[granby140]

pre filter

When i prefiltered alot of shit was left in the filter.

 

[OKIE]

I filled my vial of magic solution with the 4g worth of pellets and found that there is absolutely no room left to put the extra oil in. Was I sent the wrong kit? I now have a vial full of pellets and solution and it has completely filled up that vial. Will I be able to proceed with the conversion process if I was sent a 2g kit and tried to use it to convert 4g worth of fina?
Thanks fellas.
Kingcreed

Bump on this question?

 

[barbell265]

I don't use kits, but...

Hey Bro' I don't use kits, but have learned alot from the four batches I have made up.

First let me say this; there is NO GLUE!!!!!! Is there glue in you vitamins? Aspirin? NO!! the pellets are made from trenbolone acetate and methyl cellulose,(plant fibers). The glue theory is a myth!! The pellets are created using high pressure to condense the powder to pellet form. The methyl cellulose will not hurt you!! It may cause sides if you don't filter at all but a small amount won't bother.

Now for concentration of your final mix; 4000mg/ #ml, or 4000mg divided by the # of ml of oil in your mix. Example: 4g / 27 ml=148.14 mg/ml,(my most recent batch concentration). So..1/2 ml/ed for 54 days is roughly 75mg/ed for 8 weeks.

Pre filtering, as I understand it, sounds the best to me. I wear latex gloves or wash my hands w/ isopropyl prior to handling my filters, but doing this will remove most all Methyl cellulose and by "wringing out" the filter you will get more tren out of the mix and into your final product. Using the syringe filter after this will further purify your batch.

Baking is a good idea if there is any question of contamination in your batch. Don't go over 250 to be safe, 300 is the problem temp as I understand it. And I have baked for 10 min x3 letting the vials cool between baking. Don't forget to put a needle thru the top to release pressure!!

Later....Barbell265

 

[Jack Diesel]

To speed up the breakdown of the pellets, buy a pill crusher from CVS for like 5 bucks or crush thenm yourself if your cheap.

boil water in a pot then place the (solution and pellets) jar in the hot water. Should only take 20-30 minutes.

At this point you dont have to pre-filter, but I always do. Its worth it to let it filter over night. Be patient. an extra day wont hurt.

I always bake it at least 20 minutes on 250. If i have time I do it 3 times for 15 minutes. Whatever suits you.

 

[barbell265]

In addition

I don't know if I would heat your pellets prior to adding the oil to them. Trenbolone's melting point is 114 degrees, but when insulated by the oil it can tolerate up to 300 degrees.

Has anyone every had problems when heating their tren before the oil? Jack?? sounds like you do, after doing this your tren was still active, yes? Or did you stack the tren??

I know my tren worked as it was all I took for the first 4 weeks and noticed results around day 5-7.

Love this shit!!

 

[bigfatty]

To pasturize it all you need to do is keep it in 160 degree water (vial) for 30 minutes. That will kill all the bacteria. I don't know if baking at 250 for 15 mins would breakdown the compound but it's not necessary.

I ordered the same 4gf kit from finakits. I thought the same thing man there's about 1.5 cc's of BA in there. But after the pellets started to dissolve and I was crushing them with a glass rod in the vial, I noticed it was the smallest amount of BA needed to do the job. Which is a good thing for us (less pain).

4 g kits bring a long vial about 4" tall and about 1.250" diameter. It worked out good for the quantity of oil and solution.

 

[kingcreed2000]

Big Fatty

Big Fatty...here's a question for you

As I understand it, I am suppose to add the left over oil to my magic solution once the pellets are dissolved. My vial is the size you describe but I have no room left to add any solution at all. Where do I go from here once the pellets are dissolved?

 

[kingcreed2000]

bump.

Has anyone else had any difficulty with the 4g kit from finakits.com?

Kingcreed

 

[Flashguy]

KINGCREED -- YOU ADDED THE PELLETS TO THE OIL TO DISSOLVE...NOT THE MAGIC SOLUTION. THIS IS WHERE YOU WENT WRONG. CONTACT ME VIA PM -- I WILL SEND YOU ANOHTER KIT FOR FREE...JUST DO NOT SCREW THIS ONE UP.

FLASH

 

[kingcreed2000]

Thanks Flashguy. Let me ask you...should I immediately remove the pellets from the oil and put them in the magic solution or do I need brand new cartridges?

 

[Flashguy]

NEW CARTRIDGES.....DONT CHANCE ANYTHING YOUR GOING TO MAKE AND INJECT..

FLASH

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

whats up my brotha flash..listen...im gona be ordering a few kits from you on monday..i was wondering.. is it ok to realy skip the pre filtering part? when using the 1 hour rule...? and also some people recomend crushing the pellets up... well how am i suposed to crush them without making them unsterile? also is this coffe filter included with the kit sterile? how does all of this work...im sory bro but it will be my first time making some aromatherapy oils

 

[Flashguy]

POLFA...

YOU CAN SKIP THE PREFILTERING STEP IF YOU WANT. I ALWAYS RECOMEND DOING IT THOUGH...IT IS UP TO YOU. YOU NEED TO CRUSH THE PELLETS UP -- THE STERALITY OF THEM IS NOT IN QUESTION AT THIS POINT OF THE PROCESS. AFTER YOU ADD THEM TO THE MAGIC SOLUTION, THAT IS WHAT GETS THEM CLEAN. AFTER THEY ARE DISSOLVED, THEN TAKE MEASURES TO KEEP THEM STERILE.

RUN EVERYTHING THROUGHT THE STERILE SYRINGE FILTER (WHEN YOU GET THE THE CORRECT POINT)AND YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. IF YOU ARE STILL WONDERING, YOU CAN BAKE IT FOR EXTRA MEASURES.

FLASH

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

Apreciate it bro..very informative..1 more question though... you mentioned that after adding magic sollution to pellets is when you have to worry about keeping sterility... if i prefilter... thru coffe filter..that isnt too sterile is it?

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

Also you say you recomend to prefilter..why is this... ? ALso im thinkin gno longer than 1 hour ..so 50 minutes is perfect time? Also @ 50 minutes when i add the oil...how long can i let it sit with oil after being swirled be4 using the sterile filter ?

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

Also i forgot to mention 1 thing...i will be using 1 component th cartiige per 4g kit...how do i need to modifuy if at all the instructions/ oil ammounts for component th kit.

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

shameless bump for some info from flashguy

 

[OKIE]

I just finished my fina conversion and everything went well. I did use the pre-filtering with the coffee filter and it worked out fine. I crushed the pellets and put them in the solution...I waited 45 minutes before adding the oil...I may have done this a little prematurely because not all of the pellets dissolved completely, but almost all of it did...I also did not let the filtering oil sit overnight...I let it sit for a few hours and it wasn't dripping anymore so I put on some gloves and drained the filter. When all was said and done I had almost a full vial of the converted mixture, so hopefully I did it right. My only question to flash would be at what conversion ratio was the mixture if I used the 4g kit with 2 cartridges of pellets. I thought it was 75mg/ml, but I wanted to be certain. I also wanted to give a big thumbs up for finakits.com for anyone looking for great service and an easy to use kit.

 

[NY Muscle]

I bake it in the oven for 20 min at 250 degrees then let it cool for 20 min and repeat that 2 more times...that ok?


And yes let the pelletes sit overnight...i heat it in water to spead the pellets breaking down then i add the oil and let it sit a few days then i use the coffe filter....

i just finished a 4gF kit from www.finakits.com... personally i think they fucked up and sent me the 2gf cause it didnt seem like much magic solution was in the vial and when i added the 2 kits of pellete the magic solution didnt cover all the pellets and i kept having to swirl and shake it to make it dissolve... and the screw on PLASTIC tops to these odd looking vials i dont like all that much...

Another thing i want to mention..not sure if this is good or bad.....I added the pellets the the VERY small amount of solution then when all dissolved added 24 cc of oil (and was gonna add the rest later to purge the filter and then have a total of 40 cc to make 100mg per ml)

anyway after pre filtering and sterile filtering i had exactly 24 ml of fina/oil... what the hell happened to the few ml of magic stuff that was in there? i was accounting for 5-10ml of that to be including in my final yield so id add less oil...could ALL of the BA and the methylcellulose been totally eliminated and left in the coffee filter? if so that’s amazing....anyway I added another 16cc to make 40cc at 100mg per ml.

 

[NY Muscle]

Bump this mofo…

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

Ya lets bump..maybe flashguy can anwser our questions..

 

[bigfatty]

prefiltering through the coffee filter is needed to remove the large particles out of the mixed solution so you wont clog the syringe filter.

If the celloulose/glue oxidizes it liquifies to an extent and would need to be refiltered through the coffee filter to prevent the syringe filter from clogging.

Once the solution goes through the syringe filter its good to go. You can heat it to thoroughly sterlize it if you want.

 

[Taomaster]

Another thing i want to mention..not sure if this is good or bad.....I added the pellets the the VERY small amount of solution then when all dissolved added 24 cc of oil (and was gonna add the rest later to purge the filter and then have a total of 40 cc to make 100mg per ml)

anyway after pre filtering and sterile filtering i had exactly 24 ml of fina/oil... what the hell happened to the few ml of magic stuff that was in there? i was accounting for 5-10ml of that to be including in my final yield so id add less oil...could ALL of the BA and the methylcellulose been totally eliminated and left in the coffee filter? if so that’s amazing....anyway I added another 16cc to make 40cc at 100mg per ml.

bump

FLASH?