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Fina? How good is it??
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gimp
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Well, I've used 50-70mg of TRENOBOLONE everyday for three weeks for my first cycle of any AAS. Although, many will say it's not for beginners, ultimately it's your choice. I'm nowhere as experienced as some on this site, but this is what TREN did for me... Whithin 8 days I felt like a rock. I felt pumped all the time, my muscles were rock hard. I became vascular as the days went by and noticed significant strength increases by about the first week. I was able to breeze through my regular routine when using my usual weights. I was able to increase most lifts by 15 pounds or so. Be careful not to overtrain on TREN as you probably wouldn't notice it until a day after. I ate big and clean, with many cheat meals in between. Basically I got bulky really quick. I'm 6'3" and kind of built like a basketball player. I gained 12-15 pounds in three weeks and now have a thicker or bulkier appearence. My BF% remained the same.
chrisoh
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i've been on fina for 6 weeks, last 3 shots are this week and my strength over that time has skyrocketed and I am very happy with the results, i put on some BF and a lot of muscle and got from 217 to 230 but after i cleaned my diet and unfortunately missed some meals because of a situation im in, I'm down to 223lbs while maintaining my strength so I believe fina has made me lose a shitload of bodyfat really quick.
Fina Rules
Enigmaxxx7
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O.K. I'll go against the consensus in that I won't praise Fina as the Do-All Be-All AS of all time. Fina is sort of like Deca in that you can make great gains but it also has some pitfalls. Fina has been known to cause gyno in some users. Not the typical Estrogen related gyno but rather Prolactin related. So beware of puffy, sensitive nipples. Also, many report rapid loss of gains once the cycle is over. Similar to anadrol crash. Fina dick has also been reported. Similar to Deca dick where the impending crash plays hell with maintaining a hard on. Other than that, it's good shit.
sums it up nicely.swampmoose
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fina is good shit. i don't recommend drinking on it though. i took 75mg eod an gained 20 solid pounds. i never experienced fina dick while i was on and when i came off i popped a few clomid and it felt like i was back to normal in two weeks. my strength gains were good and and i kept the vascularity and size. i say try it. i never experineced any sore nips and i am very prone to gyno.i can look at a tab of anadrol and feel the gyno comming
fina is good shit. i don't recommend drinking on it though. i took 75mg eod an gained 20 solid pounds. i never experienced fina dick while i was on and when i came off i popped a few clomid and it felt like i was back to normal in two weeks. my strength gains were good and and i kept the vascularity and size. i say try it. i never experineced any sore nips and i am very prone to gyno.i can look at a tab of anadrol and feel the gyno comming
muscle_geek
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Tren is amazing. I posted some before pics about four weeks ago. I'm going to take some new pics soon. In four weeks time, I'm turning into a freak! I've gained 26 pounds and I have even lost bodyfat. I have veins running through my abs now and that's never happened to me. My strength has also gone through the roof. Ex. Incline Bench: Before - 315 for two reps. Four weeks later - 365 for eight reps. Its amazing stuff bro.
swampmoose
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365 for 8 reps, thats a fucking awsome jump man, keep it up!
365 for 8 reps, thats a fucking awsome jump man, keep it up!
projection
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I'm curious to more post on people keeping their strength post-cycle, or how to keep most of it after fina cycle. I've been guilty of usually losing a lot of strength post cycle on suspension, winny cycles but it was my fault -no clomid. As I've learned from my mistakes and will have everything planned this time, I would be pissed if I lost as much as some people are saying. Because like suspension, daily or EOD injections get old especially if your gonna crash so hard on it. Thanks, later.
HansNZ
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I think when using a super-strong steroid the secret to maintaining gains (strength or muscle) is to consolidate them by running a mild steroid (preferably injectable) for a few weeks afterwards. Primo jumps to mind (or even test). Oxandrolone is another option. Try using these while on clomid therapy.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Enigmaxxx7
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HansNZ said:
Very good idea that many people forget to mention.
projection
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thanks hansNZ
JONBOY
THE PICTURES YOU ATTACHED I AM GUESSING BY THE COLORATION THAT IT IS FINA....I MADE MY OWN I REALLY DON'T TRUST TEH PRE MADE STUFF BUT SOME DO I ORDERED MY PELLETS FROM LAMBRIARVET.COM AND MY KIT FROM FINAKITS.8K.COM THATS THE SAME FINA AS THE PREMADE STUFF OR NO..I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE RESULTS WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN PREMADE AND SLEF MADE FINA??
THE PICTURES YOU ATTACHED I AM GUESSING BY THE COLORATION THAT IT IS FINA....I MADE MY OWN I REALLY DON'T TRUST TEH PRE MADE STUFF BUT SOME DO I ORDERED MY PELLETS FROM LAMBRIARVET.COM AND MY KIT FROM FINAKITS.8K.COM THATS THE SAME FINA AS THE PREMADE STUFF OR NO..I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE RESULTS WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN PREMADE AND SLEF MADE FINA??
chronicx357
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premade and homemade.. same shit just difference in price. so lemme get this right.. anavar or primo wont affect clomid therapy and wont keep the htpa shut down?
chronicX357 said:
That couldn't be further from the truth..
You shouldn't run any gear at all on clomid..
You should use short acting drugs to end your cycle, then taper off the short acting drugs (since tapering does make a LOT of sense with short acting drugs), then follow with clomid alone.
projection
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Twitched said:
Twitched, I was thinking about running fina only first because I want to see what it actually does since I've never used it, then tapering with suspension. Or if fina only is a dumb idea, then stacking with 200mg/wk of suspension, then just end with clomid. Any thoughts. Thanks.
HansNZ
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chronicX357 said:
Lower doses of primo or oxandrolone won't effect HPTA recovery.
In higher doses it may influence full recovery, but immediately post cycle this isn't an issue. Once you have got your natural test. back to a higher level you can end the primo and oxandrolone.
In the initial stages when you have little test. in your system these steroids will consolidate your gains, and bridge you while the first stages of clomid therapy begin to re-stimulate your natural production.
As far as I know primo under 200mg/week and oxandrolone under 20mg/day have no influence on HPTA at all and only a slight influence above these levels.
If I finished a Fina cycle I would take maybe 400mg of primo in my first injection and 20mg of oxandrolone a day straight away. Every six days after your first primo injection I would have a 100mg injection.
Start clomid therapy two weeks after your first primo injections (if these are more than 200mg). Stop the primo and oxandrolone once your natural test has recovered say 60-70%, but no sooner than 3 or 4 weeks after you finished the fina. Six days after your last primo injection would be a good time to start taking clen.
I am currently on a very long cycle so my natural test. will take quite some time to recover (six months maybe). I will be relying on primo and oxandrolone to see me through this period (as well as clen/ephedrine of course).
Best of luck.
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Enigmaxxx7
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projection said:
I don't think Fina only is a good idea. I don't think it is a DUMB idea, just not a good one. I am only speaking from experience. I can tell you that Fina alone will give you good results but it also gave me gyno symptoms. Some users are also complaining about losing almost all of their gains from FINA ONLY CYCLES after the cycle is over. I think running it with something else can help maintain some gains. Ask Frorider about that. He's so pissed he said he's never doing Fina again.
projection
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Thanks Enigmaxxx7, I did read Frorider's post and don't want to fall victim to this. That sucks he lost so much and I realize it's different for everybody and in his avatar he appears to have a lean high metabolism ektomorph body type, unlike me. I gain pretty easy, but also have to watch the fat or I'll gain there too. Everyone has been hyping fina so much, thats why I wanted to see how powerful it actually was by itself. I wanted to compare it to other cycles I've done, and if I was stacking I wouldn't know how much it was actually doing. This thinking is probably flawed and I was only thinking of this since its so cheap. However, it is my body that Im shutting down just to run this experiment. So... what would be my best bet, just some test stacked with it @ low dose per/wk? Thanks, guys
HansNZ
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Fina should always be stacked with winny (stanozolol). These work synergystically and the winny prevents gyno.
Running some test. with your fina+winny cycle is a good idea (even if it's just 10mg of dbol in the morning). 250mg of injectable test. a week should be sufficient. This will stop you from getting grumpy!!! It will keep you weenie working too
Oh, and that reminds me. Another thing you can consider post-cycle is to take 10mg of dbol a day first thing in the morning. So long as you don't take it any later than 10 hours before bedtime it won't effect HPTA recovery. This is something to consider if you suffer from depression (a consequence of low test. levels) while on clomid therapy.
Running some test. with your fina+winny cycle is a good idea (even if it's just 10mg of dbol in the morning). 250mg of injectable test. a week should be sufficient. This will stop you from getting grumpy!!! It will keep you weenie working too
Oh, and that reminds me. Another thing you can consider post-cycle is to take 10mg of dbol a day first thing in the morning. So long as you don't take it any later than 10 hours before bedtime it won't effect HPTA recovery. This is something to consider if you suffer from depression (a consequence of low test. levels) while on clomid therapy.
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Just because winny binds to the PR does not mean it will prevent gyno. There is no definitive proof that winny prevents progesterone induced gyno. Don't run your cycle thinking that you are safe because you are running winny, that is just bad advice.
On another note I have also not seen anything that shows that low doses of primo,var or D-bol will not inhibit hpta. Obviously everything effects everyone differently but there will absolutely be some inhibition.......you will only know how much by getting blood work done.
On another note I have also not seen anything that shows that low doses of primo,var or D-bol will not inhibit hpta. Obviously everything effects everyone differently but there will absolutely be some inhibition.......you will only know how much by getting blood work done.
bbforlife
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So if i was to do a cycle like:
week 1-2
400mg suspension/ week
75 mg fina EOD
weeks 3-4
400mg suspesion /week
75mg fina ed
50 mg winstrol ED
weeks 5-8
400mg suspesion
75mg Fina ED
100mg Winstrol ED
how about that bad boy
and with the talk of loseing gains post cycle what do i do to prevent that
week 1-2
400mg suspension/ week
75 mg fina EOD
weeks 3-4
400mg suspesion /week
75mg fina ed
50 mg winstrol ED
weeks 5-8
400mg suspesion
75mg Fina ED
100mg Winstrol ED
how about that bad boy
and with the talk of loseing gains post cycle what do i do to prevent that
projection
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pellets about $37 for a box of 2G
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Jack Diesel
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Im on my fourth week of 100mg/ every day. Whoa. Ive never seen such clear and quick results from anything else. I wouldnt pay any mind to what ENIGMA is saying. Unless he has experienced the "pitfalls" himself then he cant say they are real. Most people including myself think its great so go ahead and give it a try. You will definitely be glad you did. later
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Golfer18--old
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I have read a study that anavar WILL shut you down.
Jack Diesel said:
ummm Earth to Dumbass. Did you not read his post?
quote from Enigmaxxx7
"I am only speaking from experience. I can tell you that Fina alone will give you good results but it also gave me gyno symptoms."
Reading that I would say that he "has" experienced the "pitfalls" himself.
Enigmaxxx7 gave the guy solid advice. Just because you got gains and no sides doesn't mean you can attempt to discredit other people's experiences and claim that it's safe for this guy to use. There have been several other people who have stated they got gyno from fina only.
Golfer18 said:
lol - you posted before I could find the thread I was looking for.
To all those that have said anavar is safe to take on Clomid and will not shut you down, here's a post where Fener had his natural test completely shut down from the use of 40mg/ED of Anavar. Zyg also posted in this thread that he's seen abstracts that show that as little as 2.5mg/ED will have an effect on HPTA.
link
Twitched said:
This bro is correct. Do not run ANY androgen while on clomid. ANY androgen level above the normal range will keep the pituitary and hypothalamus inhibited. Clomid will not work until androgen levels are pretty low.
The best way to come off a long cycle or a cycle with strong androgens is to use H C G for a the last two weeks of the cycle in order to get the testes up to 100% size......then they are better able to respond to LH. Then you have to wait until the androgen has cleared the system and with tren that takes three days. Then you need to front load clomid with 300 mg on day one in 5-6 divided doses. Taking clomid with food will usually improive absorbtion. After that 50 per day is enough. Take until "wood" is easily raised and kept. (minimum of three weeks)
HansNZ said:
Bro your info is not correct, sorry. You need to get natural test levels up and running as soon as possible post cycle in order to consolidate gains. This means H C G during the last two weeks of a big or long cycle at 500 iu's per day.....then followed by heavy clomid use on day one after the androgen has cleared the system. Front load the clomid at 300 in divided doses on day one and continue with 50 per day for at least three weeks. 200 of primo or 20 of anavar will not allow natural test to return.
Enigmaxxx7
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Enigmaxxx7 said:
I'm quoting myself....that's a first. I have experienced the pitfalls Jack. You say you are doing 100mg/ED. NO DOUBT you will see great results. I think some people will be prone to PR gyno and some won't with tren just like any other AS. All I know is I got it and that's from EXPERIENCE. I hope your cycle continues to go well and you never get it. But for those that think you can't get gyno from Tren, you're wrong. Not saying you will or you won't, just saying take it slow and be careful.
HansNZ
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In response to Golfer 18, Mymaxx, and Realgains.
You cite studies showing that primo or oxandrolone will shut you down - I have seen these studies too. But I have also seen studies proving that anabolic steroids are totally useless in stimulating muscle growth. In some people this is probably true. But for the vast majority this is not the case.
Just because as little as 2.5mg/day of oxandrolone can shut some people's HPTA down doesn't mean that this will happen for most people. For the majority less than 200mg of primo or 20mg of oxandrolone is unlikely to shut them down.
Realgains is correct about not running androgens when trying to restart HPTA. But primo and oxandrolone are not particularly androgenic. In any case primo converts into DHT which doesn't directly influence the HPTA. As a result, it's effect on HPTA in the majority is only slight.
Quote: Garage Gorilla
Just because winny binds to the PR does not mean it will prevent gyno. There is no definitive proof that winny prevents progesterone induced gyno. Don't run your cycle thinking that you are safe because you are running winny, that is just bad advice.
There is no "definitive proof" for anything. You've said telling him to use winny to prevent gyno is "bad advice", but you haven't told him what to use instead which is a better option. I am curious as I would like to know this too.
You cite studies showing that primo or oxandrolone will shut you down - I have seen these studies too. But I have also seen studies proving that anabolic steroids are totally useless in stimulating muscle growth. In some people this is probably true. But for the vast majority this is not the case.
Just because as little as 2.5mg/day of oxandrolone can shut some people's HPTA down doesn't mean that this will happen for most people. For the majority less than 200mg of primo or 20mg of oxandrolone is unlikely to shut them down.
Realgains is correct about not running androgens when trying to restart HPTA. But primo and oxandrolone are not particularly androgenic. In any case primo converts into DHT which doesn't directly influence the HPTA. As a result, it's effect on HPTA in the majority is only slight.
Quote: Garage Gorilla
Just because winny binds to the PR does not mean it will prevent gyno. There is no definitive proof that winny prevents progesterone induced gyno. Don't run your cycle thinking that you are safe because you are running winny, that is just bad advice.
There is no "definitive proof" for anything. You've said telling him to use winny to prevent gyno is "bad advice", but you haven't told him what to use instead which is a better option. I am curious as I would like to know this too.
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