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muscle_geek
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I would suggest doing a search on fina. There are hundreds of posts about it. Fina is geat for cutting with a diet. It won't blow you up. Your lean body mass increases while you burn fat. Best injection sites are different for each person. I love quad injects, but others hate them. I prefer 25 guage 1 inch pins. But if you have a lot of bodyfat you might want 1 1/2 pins.
Do a search. All the info is there.
Do a search. All the info is there.
muscle_geek
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Yes. 1 Inch is fine for delts. I sometimes have trouble training upper body after delt injects. I move the needle around too much sometimes.
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The Shadow
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well...Tren has been shown to rev the metabolic rate a little
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Finaplix is a veterinary cattle implant, which contains the potent androgenic steroid trenbolone acetate. This is the same drug which was once available as an injectable in the U.S, labeled Finaject, although it's production has been discontinued here and worldwide for about a decade. Finaplix was the last remaining pure trenbolone acetate, however it too has now been discontinued and replaced with Revalor, trenbolone acetate with a small amount of estradiol, an estrogen (see Revalor). Trenbolone acetate is a potent androgen, which will not readily convert to estrogen. Since in this case it is in the form of a cattle implant, administration is a bit difficult. Most commonly, these implant pellets are ground up and mixed with a 50/50 water/DMSO mix and applied to the skin daily. This home-brew transdermal mix is very effective, as seen in Finaplix's popularity. Some a little more daring have mixed their own BI-weekly (or more frequent) injections, although I couldn't see this being a very sanitary practice. Both when applied to the skin, or injected, users report great strength and mass gains with no gyno or water retention. Along with being a strong muscle building steroid, it is also noted as being very effective at burning fat. This has made it very appealing for competitive athletes looking to shed fat, while at the same time trying to avoid water retention and keep a the hard physique which a strong androgen helps bring about. It should also be noted that this is not a beginners steroid. Finaplix can be very toxic, especially to the kidneys. Since this is a strong androgen, related side effects such as ance and increased aggression are also very common. To be cautious, users will commonly will limit their use of this drug to 4 or 6 weeks. Old lots of Finaplix are still available through some veterinary suppliers, and being an implant are not being controlled as a steroid. It will not be long though before old lots are exhausted and pure trenbolone acetate will once again disappear.drago01 said:
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<--------- THey be mine
I don't know about that MG. Tren is twice as anabolic as test (and 3 times more androgenic). How do you figure "it won't blow you up"? Whether you gain a lot of mass or not depends more on your diet than the tren. If you eat like you're on a bulking cycle, tren will bulk you up as well or better then test. In my first 3 weeks of doing tren alone at 50 mg ed, I gained a solid 20 lbs. I'd call that "blowing up". I don't know what the effect would be if you ate a "cutting" diet. As an ectomorph, that's not something I've ever had to worry about.muscle_geek said:
Shape - As to needle sizes, I use 27 ga. 1/2" needles for everything: glutes, delts, and quads. I do have very low body fat in those areas though so you might want to go to 1" if you have more BF. Think about it, your skin is only about 3 mm thick so 1/2" (12.7mm) is plenty long enough to go through skin and get into the muscle (unless you have a lot of BF to go through). Tren requires ed injections (eod if you're a pussy j/k) and the smallest diameter needle you can use will be the most comfortable. I just buy 1 mL tuberculin syringes with detachable 27ga. 1/2" needles. You'll have to draw with a larger diameter needle (I use 21 ga.) but then you can just switch pins to the 27ga. and shoot.
I'm not sure that tren is a Thermogenic, as ECA or Clen is, but I will a test that Fina cracks up my Temp. , I feel it mostly at night. Almost giving me a slight fever. Now how Fina does this is beyond me. But my theroy on Fina and Fat loss has to do with it Fina causing such a fast increase in Lean Muscle mass as well as recruiting other Muscles cycles around it, that this increases your BMR, causing a decrease in bodyfat.
muscle_geek
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I'm not sure the science behind it, but I would say that Fina is extremely thermogenic. I almost never sweat, but when I'm on Fina I sweat like a pig, day and night. And I do burn fat like a mother on it.
chronik000
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Yea fina is the best stuff out there right now i think, ive cycled it 3 times once by itself and it shut me down,so i usually throw some test in there, but the first time i cycled it for 8 weeks @ 75 mg ed, the stuff blew me up , i was hard as a rock and my strength gains were incredible. also i took plenty of carbs in and balanced that with protein, the stuff is going to melt fat off of you so its ok to eat like a pig on it , for me it was any way.
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sk* said:
well....Im not gay either....but thank you.
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yepp...been there myself
cleverlandshark2001
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If you are already pretty big and you have an appettite, Tren will NOT automatically stimulate fat loss. It worked wonders for me as far as building muscle. I went from 245 to 265. Bench went up an ass load. People on the board are finding it hard that I didn't lose fat while on the Tren, but that's a fact. I did have those night sweats, but it was toward the end of my cycle.
I also was pumped constantly and even had a pump in my low back when walking! lol
Anyways, it's strong stuff!
I also was pumped constantly and even had a pump in my low back when walking! lol
Anyways, it's strong stuff!
here is an article written by Bill Roberts supporting my earlier statement.
Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.
There is no evidence in the literature, nor I think practical evidence, that trenbolone acetate has a "special role" in burning fat. Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. This seems to apply only to Class I activity, however. To obtain good anabolism from non-AR-mediated mechanisms, a Class II steroid such as Dianabol or Anadrol should be stacked.
There used to be a myth that trenbolone was "hard on the kidneys." I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.
It is also not clear that trenbolone results in any greater degree of increased aggression for a given amount of anabolic effect than testosterone itself does, despite another myth to that effect. The increase in aggressive tendency -- which does not mean the act of aggression -- is moderate and entirely controllable, if noticeable at all.
Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.
There is no evidence in the literature, nor I think practical evidence, that trenbolone acetate has a "special role" in burning fat. Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. This seems to apply only to Class I activity, however. To obtain good anabolism from non-AR-mediated mechanisms, a Class II steroid such as Dianabol or Anadrol should be stacked.
There used to be a myth that trenbolone was "hard on the kidneys." I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.
It is also not clear that trenbolone results in any greater degree of increased aggression for a given amount of anabolic effect than testosterone itself does, despite another myth to that effect. The increase in aggressive tendency -- which does not mean the act of aggression -- is moderate and entirely controllable, if noticeable at all.
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drago01 said:
while that IS true, test has also been shown to "burn" away visceral body fat....
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sk* said:
.....just telling you the study dude...I think Huck might have it...
bmit said:
A lot of people think that cause it doesn't aromatize and if you take it alone you will have no estrogen inside of you. Basically like running a good dosage of femera. It'll make you hard, and I believe this is why people think it burns fat as the scale never drops.
-sk
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sk* said:
....lol
taking fina has no bearing on preexisting estrogen in the body.....
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The Shadow
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ok - I think we are all in agreement that AAS will increase protein synthesis...
yes?
ok...if protein synthesis and thereby metabolic rate are increased...why would it not help burn fat??
yes?
ok...if protein synthesis and thereby metabolic rate are increased...why would it not help burn fat??
Cornholio said:
All the posts are getting out of order on this thread, damn elite bug.
I can't find the post my macro because i'm not platinum and I will committee suicide before I have to search 5 at a time to find it.
Regarding your question, the aid in burning fat is so small I don't even think it's worth mentioning. I've run test numerous times before and fina too, never noticed any fatloss effects unless I was dieting. If I run fina alone my body will get very hard and as macro pointed out it was due to the estrogen "annihilation" in my body, but if I run it with test I didn't have this "problem."
-sk
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We have all heard about how Tren supposedly has magic fat burning capabilities, but have been left with very little information as to how this supposedly takes place.
One of the biggest factors is the Androgen Receptor. Specifically, an Anabolic Steroids ability to bind to the AR plays a role in how much adipose tissue is reduced.
Most androgens interact with the AR and the GR (glucocortisoid receptor). The AR is present in not only muscle tissue, but in fat as well.
“In conclusion, this study clearly demonstrates the presence of AR in human preadipocytes and adipocytes and suggests that androgens may contribute, through regulation of their own receptors, to the control of adipose tissue development.”
Androgen receptors in human preadipocytes and adipocytes: regional specificities and regulation by sex steroids.
Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
This next study shows that the more AR’s , the more lipid uptake is inhibited:
Androgen hormone binding to adipose tissue in rats.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
The first study shows that the more affinity and androgen has for the AR the more the AR in adipocytes upregulates. Theus the greater the AAS binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in adipcytes occurs (my leap). This would be a primary reason why tren seems to work so well in this regard, and would lead to a significant reduction in sub cutaneous adipose tissue.
Another reason that tren and other AAS that bind tightly to the AR could help with fat loss is that that decrease LPL lipoprotein lipasel) which is an enzyme that causes lipid accumulation
The effects of androgens on the regulation of lipolysis in adipose precursor cells.
Endocrinology. 1990 Feb;126(2):1229-34.
They may also decrease acetyl-CoA Carboxylase and Fatty Acid Sythetase
Effect of anabolic steroids on lipogenic and lipolytic enzymes in sheep tissues.
Horm Metab Res. 1982 Jan;14(1):52-3.
As for how the GR comes into play: The binding of cortisol to the GR can cause an increase in LPL. Thus, certain androgens may prevent lipid accumulation by binding to the GR.
Characterization of regional and gender differences in glucocorticoid receptors and lipoprotein lipase activity in human adipose tissue.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1994 Jun;78(6):1354-9.
The effects of cortisol on the regulation of lipoprotein lipase activity in human adipose tissue.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1994 Sep;79(3):820-5.
Effects of physiological hypercortisolemia on the regulation of lipolysis in subcutaneous adipose tissue.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1998 Feb;83(2):626-31.
Studies have shown that Tren binds to the AR even more tightly then test or nandrolone, so this is one reason why tren is good at fat loss. The thing that makes it unique is that it has been shown to bind avidly to the GR as well, which makes it even better.
Binding of glucocorticoid antagonists to androgen and glucocorticoid hormone receptors in rat skeletal muscle.
J Steroid Biochem. 1986 Feb;24(2):481-7
Evidence for sex-dependent anabolic response to androgenic steroids mediated by muscle glucocorticoid receptors in the rat.
J Steroid Biochem. 1988 Jun;29(6):575-81
One of the biggest factors is the Androgen Receptor. Specifically, an Anabolic Steroids ability to bind to the AR plays a role in how much adipose tissue is reduced.
Most androgens interact with the AR and the GR (glucocortisoid receptor). The AR is present in not only muscle tissue, but in fat as well.
“In conclusion, this study clearly demonstrates the presence of AR in human preadipocytes and adipocytes and suggests that androgens may contribute, through regulation of their own receptors, to the control of adipose tissue development.”
Androgen receptors in human preadipocytes and adipocytes: regional specificities and regulation by sex steroids.
Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
This next study shows that the more AR’s , the more lipid uptake is inhibited:
Androgen hormone binding to adipose tissue in rats.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
The first study shows that the more affinity and androgen has for the AR the more the AR in adipocytes upregulates. Theus the greater the AAS binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in adipcytes occurs (my leap). This would be a primary reason why tren seems to work so well in this regard, and would lead to a significant reduction in sub cutaneous adipose tissue.
Another reason that tren and other AAS that bind tightly to the AR could help with fat loss is that that decrease LPL lipoprotein lipasel) which is an enzyme that causes lipid accumulation
The effects of androgens on the regulation of lipolysis in adipose precursor cells.
Endocrinology. 1990 Feb;126(2):1229-34.
They may also decrease acetyl-CoA Carboxylase and Fatty Acid Sythetase
Effect of anabolic steroids on lipogenic and lipolytic enzymes in sheep tissues.
Horm Metab Res. 1982 Jan;14(1):52-3.
As for how the GR comes into play: The binding of cortisol to the GR can cause an increase in LPL. Thus, certain androgens may prevent lipid accumulation by binding to the GR.
Characterization of regional and gender differences in glucocorticoid receptors and lipoprotein lipase activity in human adipose tissue.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1994 Jun;78(6):1354-9.
The effects of cortisol on the regulation of lipoprotein lipase activity in human adipose tissue.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1994 Sep;79(3):820-5.
Effects of physiological hypercortisolemia on the regulation of lipolysis in subcutaneous adipose tissue.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1998 Feb;83(2):626-31.
Studies have shown that Tren binds to the AR even more tightly then test or nandrolone, so this is one reason why tren is good at fat loss. The thing that makes it unique is that it has been shown to bind avidly to the GR as well, which makes it even better.
Binding of glucocorticoid antagonists to androgen and glucocorticoid hormone receptors in rat skeletal muscle.
J Steroid Biochem. 1986 Feb;24(2):481-7
Evidence for sex-dependent anabolic response to androgenic steroids mediated by muscle glucocorticoid receptors in the rat.
J Steroid Biochem. 1988 Jun;29(6):575-81
