Fina and progesterone gyno.

[Vageta]

Since Fina is so fast acting and short lived in the system if you started to notice progesterone gyno would simply stopping the fina prevent it? I know with aromatizing steroids you can't just stop it by stopping the AS use. Most aromatizing injectables are fairly long lasting so even if you stop there is still enough in your system to keep aggravating the gyno. As I said though Fina is much faster so I'd guess stopping it would halt the gyno in its tracks.

Also winny is said to be good at preventing prog related gyno but is it something that can be started only if you get the signs? I'm really beginning to love anavar and I think a fina/anavar combo would be awesome for bulking without fat gain. I'd keep winny on hand and only use it if gyno popped up, but I'm wondering if taking it only after you notice symptoms would be fast enough to help.

One last thing. For those that inject ED, how in gods name do you do it? Do Fina injections not make you as sore? Are you able to use smaller needles to inject the fina therefore pain is at a minimum? Do you rotate injection sites? Also how many mg of Fina are using in a CC? If I were to do 50-75mg a day how many CCs is that?

 

[Zyglamail]

Your correct in the fact that acetate(the ester in fina) is short lived, so if you just discontinue use at the first sign of PR gyno you should be just fine. Also keep in mind that I have not heard of anyone getting signs of gyno on fina alone at anything less than 100mg/ed, which is a healthy dose.

Winny competes for the PR receptor(in simple terms) and therefor reduces the risk of PR gyno, not only that but they stack very well together. Starting to take winny at first signs of gyno has been reported to work great for many people as well if you dont want to use it the whole cycle.

Fina injections do not burn at all and they can be shot through 27g or insuline needles to minimize pain. The concentration of your fina depends on how you make it. A's kits will make 75mg/ml(cc), but you can withhold some oil for a stronger concentration at the cost of losing overall volume. Yes, rotating injection sites is a very good idea. Im oldy doing eod inj, but just alternating quads at the moment.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Winny should stack well with Fina throughout a cycle, so you could use it simultaneously just in case. Then it would also act as an anti-progesterone throughout the cycle.

 

[Vageta]

Thanks for the answers Zig. I'm a big fan of anavar and even though I know winny and fina are a good combo I don't want to take 2 orals simultaneously. Anavar is very mild on the liver and I would take it during the full cycle of Fina. Also anavar and fina both seem to be able to lower bodyfat while building muscle which is great during a low cal phase. I plan on using it to bulk without too much, if any, fat gain.

I figured at most I'd take 75mg daily so 1cc is fine. I wasn't sure if I wanted to make the injectable with a kit or just by some chinese premade stuff. I'll have to consider that.

As far as needles go, aren't Slin only an inch long? If so I guess that's deep enough to get into your quad? My bodyfat isn't over 12% or so and I don't carry much fat on my thighs.

 

[Zyglamail]

All I am using is 1" in my quads. You may have to do some looking. I think slin pins are 28g, but if you look around you can prolly find some 1' and 1.5" 28 and 29g pins. Weather the pins are removable or not will depend on the brand. If possible, ya may want to get the leurlock with 27g and then order some 18g for drawing. Drawing with a 27g or smaller would suck