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Fina 101

liftsiron

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Finaject was an injectable steroid of veterinary medicine which was extremely popular in bodybuilding and powerlifting during the 1980's. "Was"?, some of you will wonder. Well, we can easily explain this. All those of you who still do not know, do not believe, do not want to realize the facts, or still let unscrupulous black market dealers convince you to purchase Finaject, should pay attention to the following statement: ORIGINAL FINAJECT HAS NOT BEEN
MANUFACTURED IN NINE YEARS! (Finaplix will be discussed at the end of this chapter.) Since 1987 neither Finaject nor hnajet has been manufactured in either France or Great Britain, nor in any other country worldwide. Residual supplies are available at this time; however, in all likelihood they are used up or superposed (past their expiration dates). For this reason, trade with faked Finaject is booming on the black market where the athlete can find a 30 ml or 50 ml vial of dark-brown glass that usually comes with a red cap. The label or sticker is in French and shows the compound as "Finaject 30." The manufacturer is apparently Distrivet s.a., 35 bd des Invalides, 75007 Paris by "Groupe Roussel UCLAF" The expiration date and manufacturing date are either missing or printed in the same type as the rest of the label. In some cases the vial comes in an additional package. The multicolored imprint on the carton can be wiped off with your finger if you wet the label and apply some pressure when rubbing. This would never be the case on an original package. All fakes are lacking traces of the substance "trenbolone acetate." So what does this compound contain? An analysis made in September '93 showed a very small amount of "testosterone enanthate." This finding, however, does not mean much, since the next vial that is analyzed might contain something completely different. The 50 ml oil solution costs $350-400. on the black market, which is a lot of money for a little "Testo." No matter what, the best you can do is stay clear of compounds with the imprint "Finaject." The same is obviously true for the English Finajet.

Although it does not make much sense to describe in detail a compound and its characteristics when it is no longer available (yes, we will talk about Finaplix) we would like to make an exception here. Some day perhaps "Fina" will be produced again, although this seems unlikely. Too many times in Europe it was illicitly abused in the treatment of animals destined for food processing. This shows what a high potential for abuse there is. Finaject is a very strong and androgenic compound which also has a high anabolic effect. It gives its users a fast and powerful strength gain without causing excessive gain in body weight. The reason is that "Fina" does not cause a water retention in the body. This was the reason why it was so
popular among powerlifters who had to stay within a certain weight class. The strength gain is comparable to the famous "mass steroids" Dianabol, Anapolon 50, and Testosterone. What is special about Finaject is the substance trenobolone acetate which plays an active role during fatburning. It was a favorite among competing bodybuilders during preparation for championships since it helped athletes whose fat content was already relatively low to obtain a good muscle hardness and density. When the nutrition was right, it was possible that one could obtain with Finaject simultaneously both a high strength gain and a qualitatively high muscle gain; and the entire muscle system continued to get harder.

Since Finaject is the acetate form of trenbolone, its effect lasts only a short time and frequent administration is necessary. Most athletes inject I ml (30 mg) every secQnd day. Higher dosages such as, for example, 30 mg/day or 60 mg every two days, however, were not unusual since an enormous strength gain and also a strong but still high-quality muscle gain was obtained. Finaject does not aromatize since its substance is not changed into estrogens. In combination with Winstrol it has a dramatic effect on the body's appearance. To achieve a gigantic strength gain bodybuilders used to combine 30 mg Finaject every 1-2 days and 50 mg Winstrol Depot every 1-2 days (also known as Strombaject) during preparation for a competition and the buildup phase. No other combination gives the athlete such an incredible hardness and such a defined muscle gain. The possible physical change obtainable in only a few weeks is enormous enough to shock some non-involved observers. Believe us, competing bodybuilders love this combination especially. Finaject was also part of probably the most effective stack for mass buildup. Together with Dianabol or Anadrol 50, and testosterone, "Fina" builds up strength and mass in record time. So much about the positive aspects of Finaject which, unfortunately, are often spoiled by its considerable negative side effects.

"Fina" is quite kidney-toxic and after a certain time of intake, it may cause pain in the kidneys. The first sign of possible kidney damage manifests itself in a very dark-colored urine. Some athlete will probably still remember the day when he excreted blood in his urine for the first time. It is important that Fina not be taken in high dosages over a prolonged period of time. It must also be observed that the amount of fluids is increased to at least one gallon/day so that the kidneys are well flushed. Finaject has considerable androgem caused side effects both in women and men. Athletes often report head-aches, nasal bleeding, high blood pressure, oily skin with acne, and in part an enormous increase in aggressiveness. The high blood pressure is surprising since TMFina" does not cause water and salt retention which are normally the main cause of this condition. The skin can also considerably worsen which again manifests itself in a higher production of the sebaceous gland resulting in severe acne and larger pores. Especially negative is the characteristically high aggressiveness of athletes. "Fina" gets into your brain and can cause considerable mood swings in its users. One is extremely irritable and can "act out" quite abruptly. Daniel Duchaine in his Underground Steroid Handbook 2 hits the nail on the head: "Someone on Finajet is no fun to be with." Women, in short time, can experience most undesirable cosmetic changes which often are irreversible. Despite this, many top female bodybuilders and powerlifters have included "Fina" in their training program for competitions. Finject is no steroid for male/female leisure bodybuilders and, if at all, should only be used by advanced and ambitious competitive athletes. Sensible women refuse to take it. Although "Fina" does not aromatize, its users often report gynecomastia. We believe that the reason for this is that during the late 1980's many athlete and today all users do not inject original but faked "Fina." Since the fake usually turns out to be a common testo this seems to explain the feminization symptoms. Original "Fina" was often recognized by the pain it caused at the point of injection even hours after the injection. Some athletes complained about hot flashes, nausea, and, in the event of veterinary compounds, "steroid fever." The original "Fina"-as mentioned before-has not been manufactured in years and many have been replaced by Parabolon which is made in France and comes from the field of human medicine. Parabolan, as a substance, also contains trenbolone but without the acetate form (see Parabolan).

As promised we conclude by discussing Finaplix which has become increasingly popular in recent years. When we previously talked about Finaject or Finajet, we referred exclusively to the injectable solution dissolved in oil. Finaplix1 however, is a little more difficult because there is no place to insert a needle and draw a solution. Finaplix is a veterinary drug which is not for injection but is to be "shot" into your system. You have read correctly: animals are shot with Finaplix using an implant pistol. Finaplix is only available in this one form of administration, in the form of pellets which are small, cylindrical implants similar to tablets. We hope but do not guarantee that no one will hold such a pistol at his behind and pull the trigger. Athletes who are afraid of injections apparently have even drunk the content of ampules! We can only explicitly warn you not to do so. Back to its form of administration: Two different sizes are available. Finaplix-s stands for 70, Finaplix-h for 100 pellets which are enclosed in a cartridge. These pellets are obviously not intended to be swallowed. Their basic chemical structure is developed in such a way as to break down very slowly; that is, the substance release is delayed. Once implanted, its substance is expected to work for a certain time in a way similar to progesterone or estradiol patches for women. One way of administering the substance found in the pellets consists of first grinding the pellets into powder by use of a mortar and pestle. Then the powder is put into a container, adding 2 ml of distilled water or sesame oil. (Two pellets should be enough, since one pellet contains 20 mg trenbolone acetate.) Then combine powder and liquid and draw up the solution using a syringe. At this point we want to emphasize once more that this procedure has a great number of risks. The injectable solution was not created under sterile lab conditions and an injection could cause infections and many other complications.

Another way of administration which is far less dangerous, can be prepared as follows: the ground pellets are mixed with a mixture of 50% water and 50% DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide). Then the mixture is put on the skin and allowed to soak in. Dimethyl sulfoxide is used to transport the substance trenbolone through the skin. Using this method approximately 40 mg of the substance can get into the blood without much harm. On the black market a box of 100 pellets costs up to $400. So far we have not seen any fakes.
 
If I see another cut and paste from the WAR 1996 someones going to get shot.
 
If I see another cut and paste from the WAR 1996 someones going to get shot.



Hold the pistol under your chin, not in your mouth.
 
liftsiron said:


"Fina" is quite kidney-toxic and after a certain time of intake, it may cause pain in the kidneys. The first sign of possible kidney damage manifests itself in a very dark-colored urine. Some athlete will probably still remember the day when he excreted blood in his urine for the first time. It is important that Fina not be taken in high dosages over a prolonged period of time. It must also be observed that the amount of fluids is increased to at least one gallon/day so that the kidneys are well flushed. Finaject has considerable androgem caused side effects both in women and men. Athletes often report head-aches, nasal bleeding, high blood pressure, oily skin with acne, and in part an enormous increase in aggressiveness. The high blood pressure is surprising since TMFina" does not cause water and salt retention which are normally the main cause of this condition.

What a bunch of BS!!! Where are the studies showing that Fina is kidney toxic? I have never seen any proof of this.
 
The proof is in the pudding..
How much can we show and see posted on problems associated with it.
Used 75mg. eod I find very effective stacked with other aas. I see people going to 150mg's ED is self mutilation IMO and observations of countless people who used it.
 
good info wherever you got Karma coming

I don't care where you got the info's bro it should be known to help educate each other of potential bad side effects and you got karma liftsiron when I recharge lol.

As I scroll down these threads I see this everyday and people need to be aware of this. Especially those who don't have sources and can make fina and are abusing their body's and unaware of what "may happen" and what to look out for.

here is one a few threads below this one/

Kidney Pain!!! HELP (post #1)

So...my kidney is killing me. Does fina and test have a huge impact on the kidneys? I am dying here. I may stop my cycle early if this keeps up.

Thanks all,
take care ~D.G.~
 
What a bunch of BS!!! Where are the studies showing that Fina is kidney toxic? I have never seen any proof of this.

Well you fucking goof, fina was developed for animals that are to be butchered in a short peroid of time. Why would studies be done to check for liver or kidney destruction in an animal that only has a shot time to live. I have known several young guys over the last few years that starting pissing blood on moderate dose fina use after a short time. No this doesn't happen to everyone, but either does bitch tits. Now shoot your fina and go bury your head in the sand to protect yourself from life's harsh realities.
 
liftsiron said:
Well you fucking goof, fina was developed for animals that are to be butchered in a short peroid of time. Why would studies be done to check for liver or kidney destruction in an animal that only has a shot time to live. I have known several young guys over the last few years that starting pissing blood on moderate dose fina use after a short time. No this doesn't happen to everyone, but either does bitch tits. Now shoot your fina and go bury your head in the sand to protect yourself from life's harsh realities.

Well guess what? I know of many juicers who pissed blood using other steroids besides fina. You cannot just make Fina the bad guy here. I will be doing a Fina cycle in a couple of months and I will be getting check by the doctor afterwards. If something negative comes back then I will bury my head in the sand.
 
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Well guess what? I know of many juicers who pissed blood using other steroids besides fina. You cannot just make Fina the bad guy here. I will be doing a Fina cycle in a couple of months and I will be getting check by the doctor afterwards. If something negative comes back then I will bury my head in the sand.


Man when you start pissing blood its time to revaluate what you are doing:confused: Peace
 
liftsiron said:
What a bunch of BS!!! Where are the studies showing that Fina is kidney toxic? I have never seen any proof of this.

Well you fucking goof, fina was developed for animals that are to be butchered in a short peroid of time. Why would studies be done to check for liver or kidney destruction in an animal that only has a shot time to live. I have known several young guys over the last few years that starting pissing blood on moderate dose fina use after a short time. No this doesn't happen to everyone, but either does bitch tits. Now shoot your fina and go bury your head in the sand to protect yourself from life's harsh realities.
I was on fina 50 mg ed for eight weeks and my renal function never deviated from pre-cycle values ( I had them monitored frequently). Dark urine doesn't neccessarily equate to kidney toxicity or damage. Furthermore, I have yet to see one credible scientific article that supports the notion that any trenbolone ester is harder on the kidneys than any other AS and yes, there were tren esters prepared for human use (parabolan and finaject). If you have such an article, please post a reference. Otherwise, please quit perpetuating ideas that are little more than rumors rather than scientific fact.

-Spidey
 
Just to cover all bases, what can one take to prevent or at least help will stress on the kidneys, besides a shit load of water?
 
dear brothas

I don't by no means want to sound like i'm a crusade to stop fina users, hell I'm one. I just think we should be aware it is a "grey area" as far as what we know for sure but do you want to take a chance an see?

I personally am stocking up on as much before we longer can obtain any so I am a user just in moderation as it does have strong sides.

Please don't get me "us" wrong I am making no money putting up info against its a harsh drug to use be careful and watch signs...
as it seems we are divided by fina lovers who claim does no damage and those who use or don't use it and say our opinions before making up ones own mind.
thanks you your time
~D.G.~
 
ALA is a great antioxident and offers some kidney protection. Cranberry will do nothing to protect the kidney, its effect is on the bladder to prevent bacteria buildup and reduce of bladder infection.:)
 
I will agree that info that points to fina as being kidney toxic is speculation by users and not a fact proved by research. I would suggest that those who use fina do so with great care. Here is more info on fina niether pro or con

Finaplix



Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as acetate)
Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one
Molecular weight of base: 270.3706
Molecular weight of ester: 60.0524 (acetic acid, 2 carbons)




Effective dose: 40-70 mg every 2-3 days either transdermally, nasally or by injection
Average Street-price: $40 for a cartridge of finaplix-H
Available Doses: pellets of 20 mg, 100 pellets to a cartridge, 10 catridges to a box


Brands & Products:

Roussel Finaject (o.c.) 30 mg/ml
Hoechst Finajet (o.c.) 30 mg/ml
Hoechst-Roussel Finaplix-H 20 mg pellets
Ttokkyo Labs Trenbol75 75 mg tabs
Unknown company Agri-Vet /


Also see "Parabolan" profile.

Characteristics:

AAccording to many an opinion this drug delivers the best gains, qualitatively speaking, for money. You notice two names on top of this profile, but unfortunately finaject hasn't been made in quite a while now. Since 1987. This is quite a shame. Both Finaplix and finaject are veterinary steroids and were readily and easily available for democratic prices. Finaject was an injectable and provided you could find a sterile source it was quite convenient. Now only finaplix remains as the original source of trenbolone acetate. The Ttokkyo brand trenbol75 surfaces from time to time as well, but its derived from the same material, though qualitatively not as pure. The problem with finaplix as opposed to finaject is that it comes in veterinary implant pellets, and trust me, you don't want to get one of these babies shot in your butt. So it needs to be converted to either a transdermal (often using DMSO) or an injectable. There are kits to achieve both. Trenbolone nasal sprays are gaining popularity as well.

Trenbolone acetate is rather short-acting but well liked because of its great availability and price. The alternative is the limited availability of Parabolan, a longer-acting trenbolone ester made for human use. Unfortunately certain lots only surface from time to time and they never sell cheap. They do act quite a bit longer. Parabolan (trenbolone as hexahydrobencylcarbonate) has the half-life of an enanthate meaning it requires less frequent injections. One of the major problems with finaplix however is that beginners making sterile injectable compounds isn't a wishful thing, and often leads to abscesses and infections.

The fun with Fina is that it causes small, well-maintainable and quality gains. Naturally it won't give you the sort of mass that testosterone or methandrostenolone would give, but it makes up for it by adding only quality mass (no estrogen formation, so no fat and water retention) which is quite easy to keep on your frame. In contradiction to many aromatizing steroids such as testosterone where a large portion of the gained mass is quickly lost again after discontinuation of the product.

It's also a very versatile product that can be used in a lot of different ways. One could easily stack it with testosterone, anadrol or dianabol for mass gains where the actions of trenbolone cause severe strength gains and add some quality to the mass. Since trenbolone was found to be roughly 3 to 4 times as anabolic as most testosterone esters it quite easily boosts strength over short periods of time. It acts well on the androgen receptor with as a result that it can have certain side-effects. Most notably the normal androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and a risk for prostate hypertrophy, definitely increased aggression leading to roid rage in prolonged use of high doses and in some cases an aggravation of an existing hair loss problem.

On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen. This means as a fat-loss agonist, trenbolone is best used late in a cycle and only combined with non-aromatizing steroids since it competes with circulating estradiol. Body-fat percentage when cutting would drop regardless, simply because of the qualitative lean mass gain made while no extra body-fat is deposited.

And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin-Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone.

In fact, in veterinary cycles the androgenic hypertrophy is regarded as the strongest of any steroid, which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with products like Revalor-S, which contains trenbolone and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual.

The points one may wish to consider during use of Fina is the low sterility of some home-brewed concoctions along with the already relatively painful injections (high alcohol content). This can lead to multiple problems when it is injected daily. Lumps due to plentiful same-site injections, abscesses and infections caused by faulty filtering and so on. Trenbolone is not particularly toxic though. Liver values are barely elevated while using it. Though there is no evidence or explanation to support this, some users reported a certain kidney-toxicity. Blood in urine and all that. While this was no doubt the result of a fake (Finaject used to be an often faked steroid shortly after its discontinuation) but I figured I'd mention it. Other than that mild androgenic effects such as acne and an increase in hair loss are noted as well.

For those seeking to use trenbolone there are many online sources on how to make injectable, transdermal and intranasal forms if you can get your hands on fina. Some sites even sell conversion kits that make the whole even easier.

Stacking and Use:

Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Finaplix particularly provides you with a cheap source of trenbolone as well. The problem is making the cartridges into a sterile injectable or transdermal.

A transdermal is made quite easily. Option number one is simply to get your hands on some DMSO, mix up a 50/50 mix of DMSO and water, add in the crushed up fina pellets and apply to the skin. The second is to make an alcohol carrier. You can find the necessary products at any local pharmacy and the more you buy, the cheaper it gets. All of it perfectly legal, easy to obtain since pharmacies are supplied 5 times a day and not too expensive. You need ethanol (as pure as it gets, I use SD40) and Isopropyl Myristate (IPM), a mix of isopropyl alcohol and myristic acid. Mix up 70% ethanol and 30% IPM and dissolve 50 mg per ml trenbolone in your solution. Meaning if you had a solution of half a liter (500 ml) you could add in 25 grams of trenbolone. Again, simply apply and let it dry. These methods will give you roughly 25% absorption of trenbolone.

To get the maximum it is recommended that you inject the stuff of course, but that's slightly more complex as you need to get rid of a lot of the crap they put in these cartridges. You will need sterile oil, solvent (lipophillic), 1 empty sterile container, A syringe filter, two syringes and 2 18gauge needles. Start by putting your pellets in your solvent, and let it sit. You want the pellets to become completely undone and dissolved in your fluid. This is imperative. Shake it up real good and then let it sit for 12-48 hours to let all the crap sink to the bottom. Now take one of your syringes and start transferring the fluid into the sterile oil. You can decant as well, but you really don't want any of the crud on the bottom to make it into this solution, so using the syringe and doing it slowly is the best way. Now take your empty sterile container and use a new syringe to transfer the oil. Attach a syringe filter between syringe and needle and slowly put the oil into your container, slowly filtering it. For everytime you repeat this step you need uncouple the filter/needle from the syringe, or else dirt will gather at the wrong side of the filter and get into your solution. In fact, if your container is a vial its advised that you leave the needle in the vial with the filter on it and you just use the syringe to refill and filter. This solution is now fit to be injected. Its still advised to hold the syringe with the trenbolone under some hot streaming water before injecting first though.

One may also want to note that finaplix has decent oral availability as well. In fact, because of the acetate ester its transdermal availability is less than it would be for a pure steroid, so actually its oral potential is greater than its transdermal potential. When taking oral fina, to account for the difference in availability between this and injectable, one would have to consume 240 mg ( 3 times 4 pellets) every day for 6-8 weeks. But it does work and it saves you the time and cost of making a transdermal.

Nasal sprays and sublingual forms are also popular, and while they too have some minor success, they are the worst way to go. It's a steroid, and with the added ester its even more lipophillic. Since the mucous membranes in the mouth and nose only let hydrophilic substances through, the rate of absorption is extremely limited. Usually to achieve this cyclodextrins are used, sugars that are lipophillic on the inside and can hold a steroid inside, but are hydrophilic on the outside, making the whole absorbable through these channels. But since fina does not have this and most of us do not possess the skills to make cyclodextrin complexes in our own kitchens, this is not a path one should consider.

There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well.

References

1 StJohn LC, Ekeren PA, Crouse JD, Schanbacher BD, Smith SB, lipogenesis in adipose tissue from ovariectomized and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and/or implanted with trenbolone acetate, J Anim Sci 1987 May, 64 (5) : 1428-33

2 Thompson SH, Boxhorn LK, Kong WY, Allen RE, Trenbolone alters the responsiveness of skeletal muscle satellite cells to fibroblast growth factor and insulin-like growth factor I, Endocrinology 1989 May, 124 (5) : 2110-7

3 Johnson BJ, Halstead N, White ME, Hathaway MR, DiCostanzo A, Dayton WR., Activation state of muscle satellite cells isolated from steers implanted with a combined trenbolone acetate and estradiol implant. J Anim Sci. 1998 Nov;76(11):2779-86.
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