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hi
I have been reading a lot of posts both new and old on ridding cellulite/lower body fat in female bodybuilders. my dilema as well. being 47..almost 48 yrs. old. I am struggling with fat/cellulite on butt/hamstrings. I eat clean, workouts are hard, etc...... I know hormones play a part as well as eating, workouts, cardio. My question is:
Is there anything exercise, cardio, diet and supplementation that would help this problem. I have had my hormone levels checked and although normal I may be entering menopause....pre-menopuasal. again, I am looking for any advice possible. or point me in the direction of someone who can help me out. I would like to compete again on the amatuer level.
thank you for listening
georgie
 
georgiep said:
My question is:
Is there anything exercise, cardio, diet and supplementation that would help this problem. I
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Yes, yes, yes and yes.

Hi Georgi -- welcome to EF! If you can give us a little more detail, diet & training schedules we can give you some feedback. I don't know if specifically about cellulite that is specific to former BB's, but cellulite in general can be trimmed down a ways ... dont' know if there's any stats on 100% gone.

Let's see where you're at now!
 
Controlling estrogen and insulin is paramount, and of course you have to burn some excess calories, ideally while both estrogen and insulin are low. Now estrogen can be particualrly difficult for a perimenopausal woman to manage, but in general your estrogen levels are lower than when you were younger so that's one thing on your side. Insulin is pretty easy to manage by eating a below maintenance low GI diet. The odd thing about cardio is that estrogenic fat loss is actually impaired when exercise stress hormones are high, but some supps such as yohimbine may help to overcome some of these problems. Not to mention that you will burn a lot more of the fat in the period after your cardio if you continue to keep insulin low. Towards this end I have had good results by combining cardio first thing in the morning with YES, and then waiting an additional 1.5-2 hours before eating my first low GI meal of the day. No matter what you do, the chances are that you won't see a lot of fat loss in your lower body until you've burned off a decent amount of upper body fat. So be patient!
 
hi
thank you for quick responses and warm welcome:)
I am very certain that my diet and workouts are on target since I hired a top nutrition expert a few months ago. I was doing hitt cardio 3 days/week and just recently backed off for a couple weeks. I will resume again.
also my diet is low GI.all that being said, top experts in the field are one thing but actual female experiences may be another.
I am stronly considering yohimbine aalthough I HAVE used it in the passed I 'm not sure I used it optimally. that is why I am looking for your help. what works for you. any other advice welcome...re: diet, exercise, supps. as far as yohimine is concerned what brand, dosage ,timing would you advise?I know AF makes it as well as advant labs.
 
My 2 cc's worth.

Cellulite is half estrogenic fat and half lack of muscle
 
The Shadow said:
My 2 cc's worth.

Cellulite is half estrogenic fat and half lack of muscle
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I agree.

Skin firmness and hydration can come to play here also. Make sure you use a nice thick lotion to keep the skin hydrated.
 
Where I have loose skin is where I have it...... can't do anything about the loose skin other than a "tuck." Other places where the muscle has filled out the skin has really helped......
 
Daisy_Girl said:
I agree.

Skin firmness and hydration can come to play here also. Make sure you use a nice thick lotion to keep the skin hydrated.
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good suggestion...what's a good thick lotion you recommend?
 
Sassy69 said:
Yes, yes, yes and yes.

Hi Georgi -- welcome to EF! If you can give us a little more detail, diet & training schedules we can give you some feedback. I don't know if specifically about cellulite that is specific to former BB's, but cellulite in general can be trimmed down a ways ... QUOTE]


thank you. I think I gave a little more detail on training/diet earlier.
but would still love to hear more from you on trimming down cellulite.
I also PM'd you but I'm new at this stuff :qt:
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^^ I haven't found that any of the lotions really help with mine.....
 
I got your pm -- I guess I wasn't sure where you were in your training, which you did answer further down in this thread. Something I wondered about was you said there was a specific issue w/ cellulite on former BB's - I didn't know if this was something that might occur when going from a lot of muscle mass to maybe less muscle mass & higher bodyfat post competition life.

Here's what I dug up from Medline (this had some really good, straight forward info)

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002033.htm

Definition Return to top

Cellulite is fat that is deposited in pockets just below the surface of the skin. It occurs around the hips, thighs, and buttocks. Given how close cellulite is to the surface of the skin, it creates a dimpled appearance in those areas of the body.

Information Return to top

Cellulite is not a different kind of fat, but it can be more visible than fat deeper in the body. Even thin people can have cellulite, because we all have layers of fat just below the surface of the skin. Collagen fibers that connect fat to the skin may stretch, break down, or pull tight, allowing the plump fat cells to bulge out. This creates the rippled look of cellulite.

Heredity may play a part in whether or not you have cellulite. A poor diet, "fad" dieting, sluggish metabolism, hormone fluctuations, and even dehydration may play a role. A great deal of money is spent by people who want to rid themselves of cellulite, but no amount of weight reduction, exercise, massages, wraps, creams, supplements, or surgery has proven to effectively eliminate it once you have it. Liposuction, for instance, is not recommended for cellulite, and may even make it look worse.

Although many dermatologists and cosmetic surgeons recognize cellulite as a legitimate problem that patients seek to have them "cure", most of the medical community doesn't view cellulite as a disorder, but as a normal condition of many women, and some men.

The best way to avoid cellulite may be to use common-sense measures:

Eat a healthy diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and fiber
Stay hydrated with plenty of fluids
Exercise regularly to keep muscles toned and bones strong
Maintain a healthy weight (no yo-yo dieting)
Don't smoke

Cellulite is a term that is used to describe fat deposits under the skin that outwardly give the skin a dimpled, or orange-peel like appearance. Cellulite is most often seen in woman because the fat is arranged in large chambers separated by columns of collagen fibers. In overweight people excess fat is stuffed in these compartments causing them to bulge out. On the surface of the skin the bulging provides the dimply appearance of cellulite, especially in areas such as the hips, buttocks or thighs. Cellulite is predetermined by genetics so even thin women can develop the appearance. Factors such as hormones, pregnancy, and aging may all attribute to the weakening of the collagen fibers to give the cellulite appearance.

So -- things you have control over -- losing bodyfat & building muscle -- that's where I'd say continue to focus. You may already be doing that optimally or maybe there's room for tweaking. Certainly at the level of amateur comp you are looking at taking that part of the equation as far as you can. The collegen component I don't know -- regarding the lotions -- any of these collegen promoting products might be the answer there. I'm not so familiar with any of them tho. Anything contributing to the elasticity of your skin -vit E, etc. And the remainder may be genetic.
 
I just found a collagen promoting item -- MSM. I've been loading it for a while to deal w/ joint pain. Right on the front of the bottle it says in blazing letters "promotes collagen development". I didnt' check the glucosamine bottle -- might be another source that doesn't hurt to include in your daily supps list anyway.
 
I love Aveeno lotion for daily use and Cocoa Butter for use 1-2x a week. When I use lotion regularly, my skin looks MUCH more even and nicer. But then again, I live in a VERY dry environment (desert). :)
 
some great advice here!
I also have to say keep skin moisturized it helps a bit.
just remember to eat right and keep working out you should start seeing some results slowly but surely.
 
Arimidex may reduce your estrogen levels moderately. It may or may not be enough to make a difference unless you are already very lean. I also hope you're not using oral contraceptives...and no ephedrine type thermogenics.

AAS combined with Arimidex and Yohimburn ES would be the most potent anti-cellulite stack you can get your hands on, though the more of these hormonal manipulations you make, the greater chance of unwanted side effects.

Try the Yohimburn ES/exercise/low GI approach first and see how far you get.
 
Daisy_Girl said:
I love Aveeno lotion for daily use and Cocoa Butter for use 1-2x a week. When I use lotion regularly, my skin looks MUCH more even and nicer. But then again, I live in a VERY dry environment (desert). :)
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I think I'm going to try both of these... thanks for the rec DG
 
I just wanted to suggest a lotion with menthol crystals will help ya tremendously also. I make bath and body products so I've done a ton of research on this and other skin "type" factors.

Necia
 
MS said:
Arimidex may reduce your estrogen levels moderately. It may or may not be enough to make a difference unless you are already very lean. I also hope you're not using oral contraceptives...and no ephedrine type thermogenics.

AAS combined with Arimidex and Yohimburn ES would be the most potent anti-cellulite stack you can get your hands on, though the more of these hormonal manipulations you make, the greater chance of unwanted side effects.

Try the Yohimburn ES/exercise/low GI approach first and see how far you get.
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what ia AAS?
 
MS said:
Arimidex may reduce your estrogen levels moderately. It may or may not be enough to make a difference unless you are already very lean. I also hope you're not using oral contraceptives...and no ephedrine type thermogenics.

AAS combined with Arimidex and Yohimburn ES would be the most potent anti-cellulite stack you can get your hands on, though the more of these hormonal manipulations you make, the greater chance of unwanted side effects.

Try the Yohimburn ES/exercise/low GI approach first and see how far you get.
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What's the problem w/ being on an oral contraceptive and a thermo product?
 
Female fat (butt and thigh) is very hard to lose while estrogen levels are high. Dieitng/losing bodyfat will naturally reduce estrogen levels as bodyfat goes down thus making female fat easier to lose, but oral contraceptives over ride this natural reduction in estrogen making it very hard to lose this fat. Some thermogenics, such as ephedrine, may increase general fat burning, but they inhibit the burning of female fat, and can even antagonize the action of drugs such as yohimbine/Yohimburn. So if you're female, ephedrine will help get your upper body very lean, but doesn't do a lot for lower body fat.

Not to sound too negative here, but oral contracepives also have a negative impact on may facets of exercise adaptation, for instance:

Oral contraceptives increase fat mass and decrease aerobic capacity:
"However, Oral Contraceptive use significantly increased body weight and fat mass, and decreased peak aerobic capacity (11%, 2.53 ± 0.21 to 2.25 ± 0.18 l/min)"
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/93/5/1698

They slow recovery from resistance exercise:
"Force recovery began 2 days post-exercise in the non oral contraceptive group, while in the oral contraceptive group strength did not start to return to normal until 5 days post-exercise (p < 0.05). Women taking oral contraceptives had a delayed strength recovery after eccentric exercise."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12169383

They also increase triglycerides and cortisol during exercise:
"In summary the synthetic ovarian steroids found in Oral Contraceptives increase triglycerides and plasma cortisol concentrations in exercising women."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14990561

They inhibit fat-burning during exercise:
"The increase in whole body lipolytic rate during exercise noted previously with oral contraceptive use is not matched by an increase in fatty acid oxidation and results in an increase in re-esterification"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15618322

And of course dramatically reduce testosterone and other androgens is almost certainly related to all of the above.
"All steroidal serum parameters (testosterone, free testosterone, dihydroxytestosterone, androstenedione, DHEA-S, 17OHP, Alb) fell significantly during the six cycles of oral contraceptive treatment (ratio of decrease, 1.3-3), regardless of OC type. These findings show that oral contraceptive use changed the endogenous androgen environment downwards in the direction of hypoandrogenism."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8689882

Not to mention reduced libido but that has nothing to do with exercise...hang on, maybe it does ;)
"Most patients using birth control pills present with decreased libido"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14740535

On the positive side, they prevent pregnancy :)
 
I have 4 days left of bcp. I can't wait to return to my old self. I am always tired, and I used to be able to get by on 6 hrs of sleep before I was on bcp. Thanks for the info. Solidified my decision.
 
Speaking of female fat, I just realized my tummy pooch when pressed feels different (like there are veins underneath) as opposed to the fat on my thighs/glutes which is just jiggly fat that I think is normal. I also heard the term "fibrous tissue" today. Is this what is under my abs by any chance?

At around 16-17% body fat, should I just focus on using the YES on my lower body and not wasting any on my tummy pooch at this point just yet?
 
Could eating completely organic produce make any difference at all, Was thinking about all the products that are around that are mainly processed and artificial- surely that doesnt help.
Coffee intake?
Stress and worry.
My cellulite is on the front of my thighs and looks worse on days when i have had a bit of junk, had a stressful day, etc

Acacia
 
Could it just be the fluild retention from the sugar/carbs that make it look worse on certain days
 
I own a tanning studio and really promote skin health. (btw, don't tan every day,and never burn!)

We have a great aftercare product called Angel. We have another really nice one called Flaunt. Some of the ingredients in these moisturizers include: Milk Thistle Extract, Jojoba Oil, White Tea Extract, Carrot Oil. CoenzymeQ-10, Silk, Walnut Oil, Olive Oil White Birch Extract ..... again that's not an all inclusive list, but it gives you a good idea.

You won't find all that in an over the counter lotion. My fiance is using the Angel right now but it's almost gone so I started using Flaunt. It has shimmer in it and I like to feel perdy, but they're both EXCELLENT for skin health and hydration. Let me know if you want any more info. on either of them.
 
Sassy69 said:
I got your pm -- I guess I wasn't sure where you were in your training, which you did answer further down in this thread. Something I wondered about was you said there was a specific issue w/ cellulite on former BB's - I didn't know if this was something that might occur when going from a lot of muscle mass to maybe less muscle mass & higher bodyfat post competition life.

Here's what I dug up from Medline (this had some really good, straight forward info)

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002033.htm

Definition Return to top

Cellulite is fat that is deposited in pockets just below the surface of the skin. It occurs around the hips, thighs, and buttocks. Given how close cellulite is to the surface of the skin, it creates a dimpled appearance in those areas of the body.

Information Return to top

Cellulite is not a different kind of fat, but it can be more visible than fat deeper in the body. Even thin people can have cellulite, because we all have layers of fat just below the surface of the skin. Collagen fibers that connect fat to the skin may stretch, break down, or pull tight, allowing the plump fat cells to bulge out. This creates the rippled look of cellulite.

Heredity may play a part in whether or not you have cellulite. A poor diet, "fad" dieting, sluggish metabolism, hormone fluctuations, and even dehydration may play a role. A great deal of money is spent by people who want to rid themselves of cellulite, but no amount of weight reduction, exercise, massages, wraps, creams, supplements, or surgery has proven to effectively eliminate it once you have it. Liposuction, for instance, is not recommended for cellulite, and may even make it look worse.

Although many dermatologists and cosmetic surgeons recognize cellulite as a legitimate problem that patients seek to have them "cure", most of the medical community doesn't view cellulite as a disorder, but as a normal condition of many women, and some men.

The best way to avoid cellulite may be to use common-sense measures:

Eat a healthy diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and fiber
Stay hydrated with plenty of fluids
Exercise regularly to keep muscles toned and bones strong
Maintain a healthy weight (no yo-yo dieting)
Don't smoke

Cellulite is a term that is used to describe fat deposits under the skin that outwardly give the skin a dimpled, or orange-peel like appearance. Cellulite is most often seen in woman because the fat is arranged in large chambers separated by columns of collagen fibers. In overweight people excess fat is stuffed in these compartments causing them to bulge out. On the surface of the skin the bulging provides the dimply appearance of cellulite, especially in areas such as the hips, buttocks or thighs. Cellulite is predetermined by genetics so even thin women can develop the appearance. Factors such as hormones, pregnancy, and aging may all attribute to the weakening of the collagen fibers to give the cellulite appearance.

So -- things you have control over -- losing bodyfat & building muscle -- that's where I'd say continue to focus. You may already be doing that optimally or maybe there's room for tweaking. Certainly at the level of amateur comp you are looking at taking that part of the equation as far as you can. The collegen component I don't know -- regarding the lotions -- any of these collegen promoting products might be the answer there. I'm not so familiar with any of them tho. Anything contributing to the elasticity of your skin -vit E, etc. And the remainder may be genetic.
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HEY SASSY, THANKS FOR GETTING THAT INFO FROM MEDLINE! I MYSELF HAVE POSTED A FEW THREADS REGARDING CELLULITE. OVER THE LAST YEAR I NOTICED MINE ACTUALLY GETTING WORSE-NOTICEABLY WORSE AND COULDNT FIGURE OUT WHY-BUT AFTER READING THAT ARTICLE FROM MEDLINE,I HAVE A BETTER IDEA- MY FLUIDS INTAKE. IT NEARLY TAKES AN ACT OF GOD TO GET ME TO DRINK WATER. I DONT LIKE THE TASTE OF IT-STORE BOUGHT OR NOT. I HAD 3 TRIPS TO THE HOSPITAL LAST YEAR DUE TO KIDNEY INFECTION CUZ I WOULDNT DRINK WATER SO THERE I WAS 3-4 DAYS PER TRIP WITH THEM FEEDING ME H2O THRU AN IV. NOT A PLEASANT XPERIENCE. I HAD NO IDEA THAT FLUID INTAKE PLAYED A BIG PART IN THE INCREASE OR DECREASE OF CELLULITE. YA LEARN SOMETHIN NEW EVERYDAY! :)
 
ScorpioGirl said:
I own a tanning studio and really promote skin health. (btw, don't tan every day,and never burn!)

We have a great aftercare product called Angel. We have another really nice one called Flaunt. Some of the ingredients in these moisturizers include: Milk Thistle Extract, Jojoba Oil, White Tea Extract, Carrot Oil. CoenzymeQ-10, Silk, Walnut Oil, Olive Oil White Birch Extract ..... again that's not an all inclusive list, but it gives you a good idea.

You won't find all that in an over the counter lotion. My fiance is using the Angel right now but it's almost gone so I started using Flaunt. It has shimmer in it and I like to feel perdy, but they're both EXCELLENT for skin health and hydration. Let me know if you want any more info. on either of them.
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SC- I would like some more info please :)

Right now I mix it up between Kisses & Forever by AG. Have you ever heard of these? I'm wondering what would be better...

I like the sounds of Flaunt....is it a nice shimmer or glitter? lol.....

Thanks :)
 
Yes, I've heard of Forever and and Candy Kisses. The Candy Kisses has a nice texture too, but I don't carry AG, so I don't have a list of the ingredients. Angel is manufactured Designer Skin and Flaunt is manufactured by Supre. You can find them in tanning salons everywhere. If you go to a specific salon and they don't carry it, ask them to order it for you. Most of the time they will. I make special orders for clients all the time. To learn more you can also visit the websites for these two companies. www.designerskin.com and I'm not sure but I think Supre's is www.supre.com.

I'm sure you can get these products in the UK! Is there a salon near you that you can call? I'm sure they'll be able to hook you up!

Whatever you do......DON'T buy indoor tanning products on the internet if it's not a SALON or the MANUFACTURER. Many times, these online companies will sell you something other than what you ordered. I see lotions on these sites that are not even made anymore - and haven't been for 2 years. If you go to a website and see a disclaimer at the bottom of the site - DON'T BUY FROM THEM!!

If you need help with anything else, feel free to PM me! :)
 
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