Feel NOTHING on DNP!

[DaMan]

I'm now on my fourth day of English powder DNP (C*****, aka DM), schedule 200-200-400-400, and so far feel abso-fuckin-lutely NOTHING.

Why does this bother me? Because after 12 hrs of our old friend's crystal, I'd be sweating buckets with just 200mg and on the verge of headaching and vomiting after a few days of 400mg.

He's a highly reputable source, so I assume it's not underdosed, and I know I respond *EXTREMELY* well to CRYSTAL dnp... I've been doing everything right, too - 50% Carbs, 30% prot, 20% fat, 2100-2300kcal, lotsa water, everything that worked on my previous crystal cycles...

I'm gonna try 400 again on Sun and if still no effect up to 600, but this ain't right, powder melted the blubber off me, this stuff ain't even making me break a sweat...

What's wrong?

PS - I do feel moderate nausea in the morning, prolly result of low blood sugar and feel better after a piece of chocolate... (something I did NOT notice on CKD though)

Macro? Fonz? Macro?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

increase your dosage.. but caps may be underdosed or WORSE FAKE...

btw- you need to take at LEAST twice as much powder to get similar effects as crystal ( the crystal caps were INTENTIONALLY underdosed for the safety of those using them)

+ you wont get the DNP spike that you got with crystal (which is a good thing)

 

[DaMan]

increase your dosage.. but caps may be underdosed or WORSE FAKE...

btw- you need to take at LEAST twice as much powder to get similar effects as crystal ( the crystal caps were INTENTIONALLY underdosed for the safety of those using them)

+ you wont get the DNP spike that you got with crystal (which is a good thing)

1. re underdosed / fake - even our old friend told me the guy is legit... as did txlonghorn... are you familiar with that source? (hint - if his name were spelled properly you could call him "dead man" )

2. re 2x powder - i've read the debates btwn you, andy & fonz... so that's the final word? i just thought crys hits you faster, but isn't really THAT much more potent... oh well... guess i'll just keep incing doseage then...

3. how do you mean crystal was underdosed? how much crystal were in our friend's 200mg caps, then? (for the sake of calculating the double in powder equivalent)

thanks!

 

[THE BOUNCER]

i would not increase anything untill about the 8th or 9th day. sometimes it can kick in late.

 

[Andy13]

Open one of the caps and stir it around (well) in some baking soda water and drink it. That will convert it to crystal. Drink pleny of water with it because that's exactly why crystal get's absorbed better.

The powder get's sort of clumped together, so absorbtion isn't optimal. SInce the crystal is water soluble, it gets dispersed much better in the stomach . The stomach acids convert it back to powder but by then it's already dispersed.

Andy

 

[macrophage69alpha]

2-6mg is considered the safe range for 24 dosing of dnp (though dosing should be on a 36hr scale to reflect mean half life- but lets leave that for now)

if you weigh 100kilos (220lbs) 200-600mg of powder per day is fairly standard, but with powder as it is released slower (this is not the best description but "true" none the less) you get systemic build up usually on day three.

as for now...kick it up to 600mg, if it is too much drop it back down to 400 (but wait a full 24hr from you last dose of the 600mg day/days- allow your systemic levels to drop)

 

[DaMan]

Open one of the caps and stir it around (well) in some baking soda water and drink it. That will convert it to crystal. Drink pleny of water with it because that's exactly why crystal get's absorbed better.

The powder get's sort of clumped together, so absorbtion isn't optimal. SInce the crystal is water soluble, it gets dispersed much better in the stomach . The stomach acids convert it back to powder but by then it's already dispersed.

Andy

How much water and how much baking soda per cap?

 

[DaMan]

2-6mg is considered the safe range for 24 dosing of dnp (though dosing should be on a 36hr scale to reflect mean half life- but lets leave that for now)

if you weigh 100kilos (220lbs) 200-600mg of powder per day is fairly standard, but with powder as it is released slower (this is not the best description but "true" none the less) you get systemic build up usually on day three.

as for now...kick it up to 600mg, if it is too much drop it back down to 400 (but wait a full 24hr from you last dose of the 600mg day/days- allow your systemic levels to drop)

Will do 400 today, then tomorrow will pop one at 8a, 4p, 12a and report on Monday.

I'd better be vomiting by Wednesday

 

[macrophage69alpha]

this effect is less likely to happen with powder. It is most likely due to the crystal DNP spike effects on blood sugar

 

[DaMan]

this effect is less likely to happen with powder. It is most likely due to the crystal DNP spike effects on blood sugar

Oh. Well will I at least get excruciating headaches?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Demaning side effects? is this a new trend.

 

[SonnyBlack]

kick it up to 600...ive heard of your source and ive heard hes pretty reliable. I never bought from him bought i havent heard bad comments either. I myslef weight 1995 and i always do 600 mgs of dnp no problem...give it a try and let us know how it goes.

 

[SonnyBlack]

i weight 195 not 1995....fukin typing courses didnt accomplish shit

 

[DaMan]

Demaning side effects? is this a new trend.

Well, that's one very unscientific way of knowing it's real

BTW, what do I do against those headaches anyway? Was awful on my first 400mg-crys cycle...

 

[DaMan]

kick it up to 600...ive heard of your source and ive heard hes pretty reliable. I never bought from him bought i havent heard bad comments either. I myslef weight 1995 and i always do 600 mgs of dnp no problem...give it a try and let us know how it goes.

What do u mean no prob, I saw your last thread that sid that DNP didn't do crap for you - did you ever get that sorted out, btw? I remember Fonz was recommending you supp with T3... what happened?

Thks!!!

 

[Andy13]

How much water and how much baking soda per cap?

It really doesn't matter. A half teaspoon of baking soda is PLENTY. But wash it down with at least 500ml of water.

About the crystal vs powder. I don't think the powder gets absorbed slower that the crystal, I just don't think as much of it gets absorbed. So if only 1/3 the dose gets absorbed, you can see how it would take a few days to build up levels..

I stress again. Once DNP is inside your gut, DNP is DNP. There is no longer a difference. If it was crystal DNP, MORE of it will be absorbed and so you will feel a spike after you take it. But the half life of crystal vs powder dnp is the same.

Andy

 

[DaMan]

I stress again. Once DNP is inside your gut, DNP is DNP. There is no longer a difference. If it was crystal DNP, MORE of it will be absorbed and so you will feel a spike after you take it. But the half life of crystal vs powder dnp is the same.

Andy

Got it. And that would also mean that the from the time I STOP taking DNP, both powder and crys will take the same amount of time to clear my system, right?

Thx.

 

[serge]

"Got it. And that would also mean that the from the time I STOP taking DNP, both powder and crys will take the same amount of time to clear my system, right? "

yes

 

[Annihilator99]

DaMan - I had the same DNP as you have. The source itself is good, but I did have a problem with the strength - I was expecting alot more 'umph'. I did lose weight at both 200 and 400, in good amounts. Next time I am going to 600 with Baking Soda, to see how that works.

A few other things - I thought T3 with DNP was not good? And I also got a massive headache after I finished, and I was 'slow' in the head for a week after. Any thoughts as to why, anyone?

 

[DaMan]

DaMan - I had the same DNP as you have. The source itself is good, but I did have a problem with the strength - I was expecting alot more 'umph'. I did lose weight at both 200 and 400, in good amounts. Next time I am going to 600 with Baking Soda, to see how that works.

A few other things - I thought T3 with DNP was not good? And I also got a massive headache after I finished, and I was 'slow' in the head for a week after. Any thoughts as to why, anyone?

1. What was your cycle like? (how many mg, how many days)

2. Did you actually sweat? I'm not... although I MAY be losing, gonna whip out the calipers before it's too late...

3. Shit that's a long time for a headache! I had one on crys that went a day after I stopped... are you sure it's the dnp's fault?

 

[Annihilator99]

1. What was your cycle like? (how many mg, how many days)

The first cycle I did to get a feel was 200 mg a day, for 7 days, just to get a feel. Lost a little bit of weight. The second cycle was 400 mg's a day, for 9 days. I did sweat quite a bit more, but unless I was lifting, it really didn't come on. I weighed 230 at ~ 20% bodyfat. Yourself?


2. Did you actually sweat? I'm not... although I MAY be losing, gonna whip out the calipers before it's too late...


I did lose on both cycles, although I didn't sweat alot, almost none on the first cycle. The first cycle I played it safe - no lifting, and no cardio. Next time around I lifted, but kept it very safe - lighter weights, no extreme stress. When I lifted I was drenched.

3. Shit that's a long time for a headache! I had one on crys that went a day after I stopped... are you sure it's the dnp's fault?

Probably mine. I quit taking my supplements too soon after I quit the DNP - that's when the headache kicked in, and I felt so slow. I started pounding the supp's again, and it did help with the headache, but I seemed rather zoned out still. I got really worried after reading Andy's post on DNP's interaction and possible correlation with parkinson's, alzheimers, etc.. I am going to up my supplements even more next time, with a particular emphasis on ALA and glutathoine.

 

[DaMan]

I'm around 195lbs right now, ca 12%...

What were your results like for the second (9x400mg) cycle?

When did you feel it kick in?

Thks for yer help!

 

[Annihilator99]

No problem man.

I felt it kick in on the 3rd day. I lost around 3-4 lbs so far, but the bloat hasn't disappeared yet fully, so we will see. I feel a bit bigger too - strange as I have yet to use any anabolics. I guess the rebound could effect me. I used yohimburn with it, which helped enormously with trouble areas, but also caused a bit more bloat. The sides weren't as bad as I thought - the heat was intermittent, and my eyes started getting irritated at around day 7, so I quit. The most noticable thing was the intestinal disturbance - I was farting like a pack mule and I had to shit constantly. I did have a bit of trouble sleeping as well. Also, with this DNP, I used to eat some dairy when I took it to avoid stomach problems. Either some yogurt or some milk. Seemed to do the trick.

There is a chance that the DNP is underdosed here. Next time I am going to up it to 600, and see how it works. If I don't notice a difference, I am going to locate and try some crystal.

 

[DaMan]

I am gonna do 600 tomorrow and the next few days (if I can take it), so I'll let u know. You way more than I do, so it sounds like you'd have taken the 600 ok...

If you need a source for crys shoot me an email, I haven't tried the guy myself but Mustang recommended him.

L8R.

PS - The shitting is normal, happened during my crystal cycles too. I just tell myself that it's the fat I'm shitting out (which I think is partially true ), that makes it all better.

 

[DaMan]

OK, I did 600mg last night AND STILL NOTHING. I *DID* sweat a bit while sleeping and had to change my pillow, but still NOTHING compared to 400mg crystal.

I will try 600mg AGAIN today, and if still nothing will go up to 800mg tomorrow.

Macro, Andy, Fonz - what about T3 supplementation? I have some lying around, what would happen if I took a pill (.25 I think) per day? How catabolic would it be?

Thanks!

 

[Andy13]

Why don't you stir a cap in some baking soda water? That should tell you pretty quick what you've got.

Andy

 

[DaMan]

Why don't you stir a cap in some baking soda water? That should tell you pretty quick what you've got.

Andy

Fear - I think it's real, I'm starting to sweat a bit more today... maybe I'm just so used to suffering from crystal that the comparatively mild effects of the powder don't affect me anymore... I will try the baking soda on my last two days (since I'll prolly quit if it's real and crystallized) - now back to my T3 q