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Fat Loss--Back to Basics

DrJMW

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After all of my posts and nandi's posts on Fat Loss and captopril, I decided to get back to basics. So, I popped open my pharmacology book and read some more articles about adipose tissue. Interestingly, muscle gain and muscle loss is very analogous to fat gain and fat loss.

Testosterone basically improves protein synthesis in muscle tissue, causing an increase in muscle cell size. HGH, through the IGF-1 and insulin mechanism, causes an increase in muscle cell number. Add in intramuscular fat and muscle glycogen storage, and that is what determines overall muscle group size. We also know that genetics determines all of this (endomorph, mesomorph, ectomorph). We also know, despite public belief, that hormone supplementation will enhance all of these body types.

Now, fat cell size is increased by stimulation of the alpha-2 receptors. We know that insulin and estrogen stimulate these receptors. We know that lots of carbs and fat--dietary in combination with carbs or exogenous--raise insulin and estrogen levels. Obese people tend to have more alpha-2 receptors than beta 3 receptors on each fat cell. Mesos and ectos have a more favorable ratio. Obese people also have the ability to create new adipose cells as a way of preserving fat--remember their genetics dictate that fat reigns, not muscle.

Now, the problem. How do we stimulate Beta 3 receptors? ECA, Clen, NYC stimulate Beta 2 receptors but they are not specific to beta 3 receptors. The other problem is the fat cell responds to beta stimulation by either increasing the number of alpha-2 receptors or by producing new fat cells.

So we need a beta 3 receptor-specific stimulator. The only one that seems to work is HGH. Some may argue that T3 is the answer, but it is the "band-aid on the broken leg." Just think about the side effects and advantages of long-term HGH therapy compared to long-term T3 therapy. Now, after reading all of the posted articles about Captopril, I believe that Captopril may aid in inhibiting denovo [new] fat cell formation, but not really do anything about alpha-2 receptors. Yohimburn/Yohimbine is probably the best alpha-2 receptor blocker.

So, lets assume we put our imaginary test subject on an appropriate diet and weight training program. Let's have them take 5IU HGH 6 days on and one day off. Let's have them take 100mg captopril at bedtime, and apply Yohimburn (www.anabolicfitness.net) as directed. Let's do this for six months.

Here is my hypothesis: They will lose fat and preserve muscle tissue; their blood chemistry will be normal or normalized as a result of therapy. HGH will cause lipolysis, optimize thyroid function, and preseve muscle. Captopril will improve glucose transport, protect kidneys, normalize blood pressure and prevent denovo fat cell synthesis. Yohimburn will block the effects of estrogen and insulin on existing fat cells.

Now, suppose, this person's BF% becomes acceptable and bloods become normal. Suppose they still have some "stubborn fat" areas that are not esthetic. I propose liposuction to treat these areas.

Now, maintenance. As a result of the fat loss, the person's HGH/IGF-1 levels will normalize--so HGH long-term is no longer necessary. The person becomes self maintaining. We now add Glucophage. This drug will continue proper glucose transport and prevent visceral fat gains. We may need to maintain Captopril to prevent denovo fat cell synthesis. We will need to add low dose Testosterone or Oxandrin to maintain adequate Testo levels.

Comments and thoughts are appreciated.
 
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I for one will take issue with a couple of points.

1) I do not believe that any pharmacology book talks about Yohimburn, or it's effectiveness on estrogenic fat deposits.

2) Titling this "Back to Basics" is a little misleading. GH and Yohimburn are hardly the "basics" of dieting.

3) Suggesting liposuction of a dieter has been one a 6 month program seems a little to quick. most people would be better off waiting 2 years (make SURE that new habits have been established) before considering any type of surgical options.

All that said - GH can be a very effective compound, but the real "basics" of dieting will always be diet and exercise.
 
GH WORKS

COULD NOT AGREE MORE DRJMR !!!

I AM A PROFESSIONAL DIETER , YUP , GREW UP FAT , INSULIN RESISTANT AND JUST ALL A ROUND FAT GUY ..
i HAVE ALSO USED MOST OF THE GEAR (EQ, WINNY ,SUS, D-BALL , TREN, L-DEX, T3, DNP, ECA(USE ECA OVER LAST 10 YEARS ,LONG BEFORE BECAME POPULAR ) THEASE WERE ALL CUTTING CYCLES ,IM ALSO A CARDIO FREAK ( 5 DAYS A WEEK 45 MIN ) FOLLOWED BY IRON TRAINING ..
NOW DONT GET ME WRONG THE GEAR REALLY HELPED , RECUPERATION WAS A BIG THING AS YOU CAN IMAGINE .. BUT WHEN I INCLUDED GH INTO THE GAME EVERYTHING CHANGED , UNBELIEVABLE , WHAT A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN FAT LOSS ,HUGE ..
FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE i WAS RIPPED , 7 OR 8 % RIPPED , FOR SOME OF YOU THINNER BRO,S THAT MIGHT NOT SOUND TO IMPRESSIVE BUT TO A FAT PERSON WANTING TO BE A BODYBUILDER IT WAS THE FULFILLMENT OF A DREAM AND IT TOOK ONLY 10 YEARS TO GET THERE , THAT AND THE NET ,THANK GOD, OH , AND UP HERE IN CANADA 1200.00 CANADIAN GETS YOU ONE 126 IU KIT , iTS LIKE FINDING THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH BUT YOU CANT AFFORD IT ..MY POINT IS IF YOU HIGHER BF % BRO,S HAVE THE DOE AND KITS ARE A HELL OF ALOT CHEAPER IN THE STATES , GO FOR IT .
JUST MY 2 CENTS..
GREAT INFO DOC .
PEACE
HEMPSTER
 
kits legally are anywhere from a 1000.00 to 1800.00 thats not cheaper, now illegaly 500 bucka kit is the usuall, good post dr.jmw you are a benefit of using this board
 
Great info Doc....I've never used GH, but havealways been intriqued.

RE :HGH

1) What is a starting dose/day
2) Do you need to do it 6 days/week?
3) How much is standard for a month's cycle?
 
Two things....

I agree with Gambler that liposuction should be a last resort.

I'm also very intriqued by HGH and its effects on muscle/fat....would like to know, also, how doses are started for someone who has never used it!
 
Gambler said:
I for one will take issue with a couple of points.

1) I do not believe that any pharmacology book talks about Yohimburn, or it's effectiveness on estrogenic fat deposits.

The Pharm book mentions Yohimbine--the pharmaceutical grade tablets--as an alpha-2 blocker.

2) Titling this "Back to Basics" is a little misleading. GH and Yohimburn are hardly the "basics" of dieting.

I was talking about the problem of obesity, not the treatment.

3) Suggesting liposuction of a dieter has been one a 6 month program seems a little to quick. most people would be better off waiting 2 years (make SURE that new habits have been established) before considering any type of surgical options.

Most dieters are not one-time...they have dieted for years without results as hempster will attest to. I am also a life-time dieter. Also, some may continue past the 6 month period, but eventually one reaches a plateau--especially if the adipose tissue ahs a lousy blood supply.

All that said - GH can be a very effective compound, but the real "basics" of dieting will always be diet and exercise.

Not any more. Now we know that obese people have low HGH levels. We know they are insulin resistant (and not necessarily frank diabetics). We know that they respond differently to exercise.
 
iceman11111 said:
What about adding in some Test and using a anti-e to lower estrogen in the system?

Great Question but I have to ask why? AAS has no direct effect on fat loss..why not use it AFTER the fat loss is achieved as maintenance or for BUILDING muscle. As I said above, the Yohimburn/Yohimbine is the best alpha-2 blocker, and estrogen plays a relatively small role in agonizing alpha-2's. The problem is insulin. No one, except the genetically gifted, can gain muscle and lose fat.
 
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Not any more. Now we know that obese people have low HGH levels. We know they are insulin resistant (and not necessarily frank diabetics). We know that they respond differently to exercise.


This is possibly true for the morbidly obese. I was speaking more in terms of the average person who is carrying excess adipose tissue. I have yet to meet ONE that was overweight that was not guilty of shoving too mcuh crap down their neck.

No dowubt that GH can play an excellent role in helping reduce bodyfat to a greater degree than traditional dieting and exercise, but the diet and excerise remain the core, and therfore, "baisc: ingredient to the equation.

IMO , of course.
 
DrJMW said:


Great Question but I have to ask why? AAS has no direct effect on fat loss..why not use it AFTER the fat loss is achieved as maintenance or for BUILDING muscle. As I said above, the Yohimburn/Yohimbine is the best alpha-2 blocker, and estrogen plays a relatively small role in agonizing alpha-2's. The problem is insulin. No one, except the genetically gifted, can gain muscle and lose fat.

You serious? No one? I'm doing it... have been doing it... for months.
 
drveejay11 said:
Great info Doc....I've never used GH, but havealways been intriqued.

RE :HGH

1) What is a starting dose/day

3-5IU

2) Do you need to do it 6 days/week?

Some do well with 5 days on
3) How much is standard for a month's cycle?

126IU per month should do it

 
What a good post by the Doc. If I had trouble loosing fat, I would try it, but my problem seems to be gaining weight.
 
Test and gh work so good together. I have had extreme success with as little as 2iu's of hgh a day for fat loss. For fat loss I WOULD NOT ADD insulin to the gh.:)
 
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