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I'd go with diet and cardio personally- There are some great fat burners out there, but you tend to have a rebound effect after using them. Alot of people use thermogenics as an excuse for poor diet and cardio as well, if you do it naturally you will gain discipline...
But if you want to risk screwing up your thyroid , spiropent clenbuterol and unipharm t3 will really strip the fat off in record time.
just my .02
But if you want to risk screwing up your thyroid , spiropent clenbuterol and unipharm t3 will really strip the fat off in record time.
just my .02
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satchboogie
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depends how far you're willing to go.
i would definitely stay away from DNP, and T3. which pretty much leaves clenbuterol or efedrine.
personally, i'd much prefer efedrine. less expensive and better for fat burning.
i would definitely stay away from DNP, and T3. which pretty much leaves clenbuterol or efedrine.
personally, i'd much prefer efedrine. less expensive and better for fat burning.
I like Usnic Acid personally. I have been eating like Godzilla the last 3 weeks, and no weight gain. I will cut the diet down but the EQ make me into a savage eating machine at week 5 and on.
satchboogie said:
Saying that ephedrine is "better" than clen for fatburning is a short sighted and ignorant statement. Maybe for YOU its better, but for many others clen is superior...quite frankly, I question whether the clen you used was legit if you did not see results from it- or it could be an issue with your receptors being saturated from eca use.
for ME and many others I know, clen burns fat off at a record pace IF IT IS USED PROPERLY.
There is no substitute for clean diet and CV.
Assistance comes in the form of
DNP
T3
Clen
e/c/a
All have differing effectiveness and sides and all require research.
I would omit DNP and T3 until you have gained a lot of knowledge and are comfortable in what you are about to take knowing what possibilities may occur.
As for info on Clen and e/c/a this may help and a good start but remeber there is no subsitute for diet and CV.
What is it and where does it come from?
Ephedrine, a stimulating herb that grows in arid regions of the world, goes by such names as: Mormon Tea, Ma Huang, Squaw Tea, and Herbal Ecstasy. The Chinese have been using ephedra for more than 5,000 years to treat the afflictions of the lungs. The main active chemical component of ephedrine is ephedrine, a beta-adrenergic agonist (increases heart rate and body temperature.)
Different strains of the herb contain different concentrations of ephedrine. The Chinese version is the more potent of the strains. Supplements of high quality ephedra are available from MuscleSurf.com
What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?
Ephedrine is a powerful stimulator that increases metabolism. Ephedra has been used widely to treat many conditions such as the common cold, asthma, and congestion of the bronchial tubes. Research conducted on this herb has shown that it has awesome implications for bodybuilders, weight-trainers, and athletes. Some of the incredible effects are weight loss, metabolizing (burning) fat, and muscle maintenance.
Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Athletes have taken ephedra for a number of years to enhance performance. Bodybuilders can benefit from supplementation of ephedrine in many ways. The herb not only promotes the breakdown of fat cells, but also stimulates the biochemistry of muscles, while enhancing performance.
It is also a very important ingredient in cold medicines and can help asthmatics and those who suffer from bronchial ailments such as congestion or cough. All this and it helps people with obesity to lose weight.
Are there any side effects?
Keep out of the reach of children. Not intended for persons under 18 years of age. Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing. Do not use if you are at risk or being treated for high blood pressure, liver, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, diabetes, pernicious anemia, nervousness, anxiety, depression, seizure disorder, cardiac arrhythmias, stroke, or pheochromacytoma. Do not use if you are at risk or being treated difficulty in urination due to prostate enlargement. Discontinue use and consult a health care practitioner if dizziness, sleeplessness, tremors, nervousness, headache, heart palpitations or tingling sensations occur. Consult your healthcare professional before use if you are taking an MAO inhibitor or other prescription drug.
Clenbuterol
It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anticatabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass. A further aspect of Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process. Due to the higher body temperature Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simulta-neously, since the protein processing is increased.
Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mcg per day For women 80-100 mcg//day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. Since Clenbuterol is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days, despite continuation of the product.
Dosaging:
Clen:
Take 2 tabs(40mcgs) day 1 and increase by 1 tab/day until shaking or side effects become too much then back-off by 1 tab and hold at that level. If you possess a good tolerance to clen, then stop at 140mcs/day (7tabs) max as anymore is overkill, the receptors quickly become saturated and can't take it.
Follow this for 2 to 3 weeks then switch to ECA.
ECA:
Take 1 dosage AM (i.e. before breakfast) and then up to 4-5 dosages per day.
Try to time them 1 hour before each meal which will help suppress your appetite thus making dieting easier to stomach.
E/C/A : 30mg Ephedrine (1 tab)
200mg Caffeine (Pro Plus)
300mg Asprin (1 tab)
Cycle:
2 Weeks clen
2 Weeks e/c/a
2 weeks clen
2 weeks e/c/a
Total of 8 weeks maximum
Wrongun!
Assistance comes in the form of
DNP
T3
Clen
e/c/a
All have differing effectiveness and sides and all require research.
I would omit DNP and T3 until you have gained a lot of knowledge and are comfortable in what you are about to take knowing what possibilities may occur.
As for info on Clen and e/c/a this may help and a good start but remeber there is no subsitute for diet and CV.
What is it and where does it come from?
Ephedrine, a stimulating herb that grows in arid regions of the world, goes by such names as: Mormon Tea, Ma Huang, Squaw Tea, and Herbal Ecstasy. The Chinese have been using ephedra for more than 5,000 years to treat the afflictions of the lungs. The main active chemical component of ephedrine is ephedrine, a beta-adrenergic agonist (increases heart rate and body temperature.)
Different strains of the herb contain different concentrations of ephedrine. The Chinese version is the more potent of the strains. Supplements of high quality ephedra are available from MuscleSurf.com
What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?
Ephedrine is a powerful stimulator that increases metabolism. Ephedra has been used widely to treat many conditions such as the common cold, asthma, and congestion of the bronchial tubes. Research conducted on this herb has shown that it has awesome implications for bodybuilders, weight-trainers, and athletes. Some of the incredible effects are weight loss, metabolizing (burning) fat, and muscle maintenance.
Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Athletes have taken ephedra for a number of years to enhance performance. Bodybuilders can benefit from supplementation of ephedrine in many ways. The herb not only promotes the breakdown of fat cells, but also stimulates the biochemistry of muscles, while enhancing performance.
It is also a very important ingredient in cold medicines and can help asthmatics and those who suffer from bronchial ailments such as congestion or cough. All this and it helps people with obesity to lose weight.
Are there any side effects?
Keep out of the reach of children. Not intended for persons under 18 years of age. Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing. Do not use if you are at risk or being treated for high blood pressure, liver, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, diabetes, pernicious anemia, nervousness, anxiety, depression, seizure disorder, cardiac arrhythmias, stroke, or pheochromacytoma. Do not use if you are at risk or being treated difficulty in urination due to prostate enlargement. Discontinue use and consult a health care practitioner if dizziness, sleeplessness, tremors, nervousness, headache, heart palpitations or tingling sensations occur. Consult your healthcare professional before use if you are taking an MAO inhibitor or other prescription drug.
Clenbuterol
It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anticatabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass. A further aspect of Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process. Due to the higher body temperature Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simulta-neously, since the protein processing is increased.
Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mcg per day For women 80-100 mcg//day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. Since Clenbuterol is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days, despite continuation of the product.
Dosaging:
Clen:
Take 2 tabs(40mcgs) day 1 and increase by 1 tab/day until shaking or side effects become too much then back-off by 1 tab and hold at that level. If you possess a good tolerance to clen, then stop at 140mcs/day (7tabs) max as anymore is overkill, the receptors quickly become saturated and can't take it.
Follow this for 2 to 3 weeks then switch to ECA.
ECA:
Take 1 dosage AM (i.e. before breakfast) and then up to 4-5 dosages per day.
Try to time them 1 hour before each meal which will help suppress your appetite thus making dieting easier to stomach.
E/C/A : 30mg Ephedrine (1 tab)
200mg Caffeine (Pro Plus)
300mg Asprin (1 tab)
Cycle:
2 Weeks clen
2 Weeks e/c/a
2 weeks clen
2 weeks e/c/a
Total of 8 weeks maximum
Wrongun!
