faking bloodwork

[kevin6]

hi all,

i've heard some ppl mention that they can "time" their bloodwork so they get artificially low testosterone...i know how this works, the reason for doing so (HRT, etc), but just not the exact protocol for ensuring low test during bloodwork when doing a prop cycle. how does this sound:

prop 100mg EOD for 10 weeks
bloodwork 1 week after last shot (ie during first week of PCT)

would this work? endo test levels should be quite low, exo test is out of system.

thanks guys

 

[Anthony Starks]

I would wait three weeks until after cycle to make sure all the prop is out of your system, and then start PCT right after. Not an optimal situation from a PCT standpoint, but its the best way to make sure your total test levels are bottomed out.

 

[Zell959]

You could also add in habbits that tend to hurt Test levels. Poor sleep patterns, bad eating, too much cardio, etc. Not sure at what point it'd become more trouble than it's worth for you though.

 

[kevin6]

I would wait three weeks until after cycle to make sure all the prop is out of your system, and then start PCT right after. Not an optimal situation from a PCT standpoint, but its the best way to make sure your total test levels are bottomed out.

why would starting PCT as usual not work??? i'm confused...i don't care about low values of estrogen or LH or anything else...i just care about getting test low on the bloodwork exam

 

[Anthony Starks]

why would starting PCT as usual not work??? i'm confused...i don't care about low values of estrogen or LH or anything else...i just care about getting test low on the bloodwork exam

Because you don't want PCT to increase your test levels until after you get your bloodwork done. That is the whole point of PCT after all...

 

[JKurz1]

You could also add in habbits that tend to hurt Test levels. Poor sleep patterns, bad eating, too much cardio, etc. Not sure at what point it'd become more trouble than it's worth for you though.

You think poor sleeping habits (waking up every 2 hours) and excess cardio (fasted am cardio 7x a week) can lead to low test levels?????

 

[thx9000]

The problem with this approach is that your T, E, DHT, etc ratios are all messed up during and post cycle. I have been "caught" by an endo who knew, perhaps just cared, enough to cross-check my levels. In my case I wasn't trying to get away with anything as I was taking Glucophage which lowers T and left me with elevated E. He confronted me and asked if I was recently on a cycle or if I had intentionally tried to lower my T levels. I said no, and he kept pushing by insisting he was "here to help me, but I have to level with him." Eventually we discussed my Glucophage and proscar use which probably cause the problems...I asked how he "knew" and he said that improperly managed T/E/DHT/SHBG ratios are a common sign that someone has been on a cycle or tried to intentionally lower their T levels.

 

[Zell959]

You think poor sleeping habits (waking up every 2 hours) and excess cardio (fasted am cardio 7x a week) can lead to low test levels?????

Yes, I was under the impression they did. I recall reading something to that effect in an old article on www.t-nation.com entitled "Your Doctor, Your Dealer".

 

[bigtbone]

thx9000 is right. You could probably fool most primary care docs, but you won't fool an endocrinologist. If he finds that you have low test levels, he'll try to determine the cause as opposed to just prescribing replacement. AAS use is always on the list of differential diagnoses and based on levels of other hormones, he'll figure it out.