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for those who missed part 1 here it is:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299236
PART 2
humans.... the greedy domesticated animals... always out to make an extra dollar.
unfortunately, many make those extra dollars by cheating us hard working bb'ers.
20 years ago, when scoring gear, the chances of landing on fakes werent NEARLY as high as today.
demand was very high, but counterfeiters did not jump on the idea until the early 90's.
nowadays, our market is flooded with garbage.
human grade pharmaceutical anabolics are most often counterfeited.
organon yellows tops and schering primos dominate the charts, but test and the others are faked often as well.
human grade pharmaceutical ancillaries like clomid, nolvadex, proviron, and the others arent often counterfeited as the profits on ancillaries isnt that attractive.
but dont be scared!
while its true that any one of us could have unknowingly bought fake gear, its not time to freak out yet.
the ink, label and vials/ampules can be examined and cross referenced.
elitefitness has an awesome counterfeit board, and gear pics board where you can compare your gear to legit pics posted by well known vets and sources. we are fortunate to have easy access to the many boards on the net as 10 years ago that option was very limited. so with little research, you can easily find out if you're indeed sitting on fakes.. i sure hope not!
but a big problem, nowadays, is that dudes try to save a dollar by purchasing underground gear.
bros like you and me with access to powders and the necessary ingredients, are making gear out of home!
yes!! out of home.. this is no news, so no shock here... at least not for anybody whose been on the boards for a while.
most underground gear is legit and sanitary.
i can count a dozen underground labs who make high quality gear at very attractive prices.
but only 3 or 4 labs that have been consistent over an extended period!
the problem is that we just DONT know whats inside the vial we purchaed.
example... an underground lab (which i will not mention here or via email/pm) tried to make a 100mg/10ml vial of methonolone enanthate a.k.a 'primobolan depot'.
this lab had a very solid reputation. in fact, they were/are one of the most reputable labs on the black market.
excitement excitement as bb'ers couldnt wait to grab this underground primo at a fraction of the human grade price.
well... it backfired! dudes bought the vials and sent them to get lab tested. tests came out bogus!
ZERO METHONOLONE ENANTHATE FOUND!!
did that lab intentionally scam? i honestly dont think they did.
most likely, their powder source sold them bunk powder.
the lab had good intentions and got burnt!
the result was dudes assed out of money!
another example....
underground lab makes test enanthate 250mg/10ml vial for a 1/4th of the cost of human grade enanthate.
dudes injects and develops an abscess... a nasty condition requiring surgery. not very cool!
did the lab intentionally make the gear dirty?
i honestly do not believe so.
but again, these are dudes working out of the home, and while they try their best to keep a sanitary enviorement, that enviorement will never ever ever come nearly as sanitary as companies like schering, organon or the other big ones.
another incosistency with underground gear is that a lab builds a solid rep, and then scams.
i've seen 4 or 5 in the last few years that have scored huge scamming us hard working bb'ers.
we have choices in life...
the smart ones will weigh the pros and cons and make the rationale decision!
thanks again.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299236
PART 2
humans.... the greedy domesticated animals... always out to make an extra dollar.
unfortunately, many make those extra dollars by cheating us hard working bb'ers.
20 years ago, when scoring gear, the chances of landing on fakes werent NEARLY as high as today.
demand was very high, but counterfeiters did not jump on the idea until the early 90's.
nowadays, our market is flooded with garbage.
human grade pharmaceutical anabolics are most often counterfeited.
organon yellows tops and schering primos dominate the charts, but test and the others are faked often as well.
human grade pharmaceutical ancillaries like clomid, nolvadex, proviron, and the others arent often counterfeited as the profits on ancillaries isnt that attractive.
but dont be scared!
while its true that any one of us could have unknowingly bought fake gear, its not time to freak out yet.
the ink, label and vials/ampules can be examined and cross referenced.
elitefitness has an awesome counterfeit board, and gear pics board where you can compare your gear to legit pics posted by well known vets and sources. we are fortunate to have easy access to the many boards on the net as 10 years ago that option was very limited. so with little research, you can easily find out if you're indeed sitting on fakes.. i sure hope not!
but a big problem, nowadays, is that dudes try to save a dollar by purchasing underground gear.
bros like you and me with access to powders and the necessary ingredients, are making gear out of home!
yes!! out of home.. this is no news, so no shock here... at least not for anybody whose been on the boards for a while.
most underground gear is legit and sanitary.
i can count a dozen underground labs who make high quality gear at very attractive prices.
but only 3 or 4 labs that have been consistent over an extended period!
the problem is that we just DONT know whats inside the vial we purchaed.
example... an underground lab (which i will not mention here or via email/pm) tried to make a 100mg/10ml vial of methonolone enanthate a.k.a 'primobolan depot'.
this lab had a very solid reputation. in fact, they were/are one of the most reputable labs on the black market.
excitement excitement as bb'ers couldnt wait to grab this underground primo at a fraction of the human grade price.
well... it backfired! dudes bought the vials and sent them to get lab tested. tests came out bogus!
ZERO METHONOLONE ENANTHATE FOUND!!
did that lab intentionally scam? i honestly dont think they did.
most likely, their powder source sold them bunk powder.
the lab had good intentions and got burnt!
the result was dudes assed out of money!
another example....
underground lab makes test enanthate 250mg/10ml vial for a 1/4th of the cost of human grade enanthate.
dudes injects and develops an abscess... a nasty condition requiring surgery. not very cool!
did the lab intentionally make the gear dirty?
i honestly do not believe so.
but again, these are dudes working out of the home, and while they try their best to keep a sanitary enviorement, that enviorement will never ever ever come nearly as sanitary as companies like schering, organon or the other big ones.
another incosistency with underground gear is that a lab builds a solid rep, and then scams.
i've seen 4 or 5 in the last few years that have scored huge scamming us hard working bb'ers.
we have choices in life...
the smart ones will weigh the pros and cons and make the rationale decision!
thanks again.
