everyone wants a short cut ;-)

[bowling ball nutz]

over the past 3-4 years I have experimented with many different AS incuding gh and slin.. yes looking for that extra edge, what I have found is that the very stuff you are taking to get that edge actually ends up decreasing performance in the gym, insulin and gh makes me tired as hell, there for I resort to stimulants to train,then take something to soften the stimulant crash. Its a never ending polypharmacy one which I have decided to give up. I feel that with a clean system and training completely natural with more intensity will yield better effects and a fatter pocket book ;-)

Newbies take it from someone who has experimented with it all, KISS is a good principle, use it , focus on your diet and training it is the basis of it all anyways. People tend to load up on different drugs and shift focus off of diet and onto supplementation.

 

[Mavy]

True bro i agree. But when you have your diet and training in PERFECT check ... THEN throw some AAS into the mix ... lookout! Thats when you become a monster

 

[eviction]

so you must be of freakish proportions to have already moved to GH and slin after 3-4 years. How big are you?

 

[bowling ball nutz]

so you must be of freakish proportions to have already moved to GH and slin after 3-4 years. How big are you?

lol, I dont use AS anymore so I never got to cycle high androgens with the gh and slin I used it mainly as a non AS cycle

you get the just of what I am saying though, no need to throw in all the exotics, just go back and perfect the diet implied for(newbies)

my stats 5'11 205 5-6%

 

[Tryn2]

I think you rushed it. Maybe im wrong but the kiss plan works well. Maybe you should have tried it. Slin and Gh, only if your a pro or semi pro. That is serious even if your not new.

 

[bigp3]

over the past 3-4 years I have experimented with many different AS incuding gh and slin.. yes looking for that extra edge, what I have found is that the very stuff you are taking to get that edge actually ends up decreasing performance in the gym, insulin and gh makes me tired as hell, there for I resort to stimulants to train,then take something to soften the stimulant crash. Its a never ending polypharmacy one which I have decided to give up. I feel that with a clean system and training completely natural with more intensity will yield better effects and a fatter pocket book ;-)

Newbies take it from someone who has experimented with it all, KISS is a good principle, use it , focus on your diet and training it is the basis of it all anyways. People tend to load up on different drugs and shift focus off of diet and onto supplementation.

I agree bro,,, In the end the most important thing is hard work and diet. You don't have to take everything under the moon to make great progress. If you work hard, eat right and be patient you can make some very impressive gains naturally. When it comes down to it, you just have to weigh out the risk vs. benefit ratio. Is the chance of going to jail or damaging your health worth being a little bit bigger.

 

[needsize]

3-4 years isnt necessarily that quick to jump to gh and slin, I started it just after the 2 year mark when I started having major trouble growing from steroids on their own.
I agree about the short cut thing, I even had this kid come up to me in the gym the other day and say "I just started working out and am looking for an edge, do you know where I can get some steroids from"? I waited 10 years, maybe I should have jumped on the needle as soon as I started training

 

[lartinos]

True ectos cannot grow from perfect eating and training. Both are very overrated from my standpoint. AAS is a godsend for people like myself. Flame away if you must.....but if you are not a true ecto like myself then you really don't know. Bulking diets give me a gut, and very cleanly barely makes me lose fat. I always train hard but only grow when on.