Ester weights and equivalent amounts of gear

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I wanted to know what the equivalent amount of test propionate would be to test cyp. Meaning if theres 500mg cyp, what is the equivalant amount of test prop given the esters are different weights?

 

[Mh48500]

This isa repost but gves you a little info...hope it helps.



An interesting side note is that the smaller ester chains, weigh less. This is important because it brings another advantage of shorter chain ester drugs to the table. If the ester weighs less, the amount of testosterone per milliliter or cubic centimeter (cc, they are interchangeable) is more. For example, testosterone suspension is 100% testosterone as we have said previously. It has no ester. The short chain ester propionate, is roughly 74% testosterone. This means that if you take a typical 1cc shot of prop at 100mg/cc, this is actually 74mg of testosterone and 26 milligrams of ester weight. A larger ester such as enanthate, is roughly 55% testosterone. Twenty-eight (45%) percent of the gross weight of a given amount of testosterone enanthate is the actual enanthate ester, not the active testosterone that you are searching for. So, a typical 200mg/cc shot of enanthate only contains 110mg of active testosterone. If you have ever used a shorter acting injectable anabolic, and gotten better results than using heavier dosages of longer acting drugs, this is the reason. You may have been getting more “active” drug into your system with what appeared to be less “overall” or gross mg dosage of drug.
A great illustration of the above point is evident when comparing the "active" amount of testosterone yield in equal "mg" dosages of these two testosterone esters. Think of the 110mg/200mg injection of enanthate. The 74mg/100mg injection of propionate would yield more active testosterone if you were to take "200mg) of the drug. This would yield 148mg of testosterone from the propionate!! Do you see? So, 200mg of propionate is more "active" test than 200mg of enanthate.

 

[zwhit]

I think you're overthinking it a little bro.

Is there a difference? Yeah, sure. But I've used both and cyp at 500mg per week is hardly any different than prop at 150mg eod (avgs out to 525mg per week). And I dont believe the broscience that prop causes less water retention.

That's just my opinion based off my experience.

 

[zwhit]

This isa repost but gves you a little info...hope it helps.



An interesting side note is that the smaller ester chains, weigh less. This is important because it brings another advantage of shorter chain ester drugs to the table. If the ester weighs less, the amount of testosterone per milliliter or cubic centimeter (cc, they are interchangeable) is more. For example, testosterone suspension is 100% testosterone as we have said previously. It has no ester. The short chain ester propionate, is roughly 74% testosterone. This means that if you take a typical 1cc shot of prop at 100mg/cc, this is actually 74mg of testosterone and 26 milligrams of ester weight. A larger ester such as enanthate, is roughly 55% testosterone. Twenty-eight (45%) percent of the gross weight of a given amount of testosterone enanthate is the actual enanthate ester, not the active testosterone that you are searching for. So, a typical 200mg/cc shot of enanthate only contains 110mg of active testosterone. If you have ever used a shorter acting injectable anabolic, and gotten better results than using heavier dosages of longer acting drugs, this is the reason. You may have been getting more “active” drug into your system with what appeared to be less “overall” or gross mg dosage of drug.
A great illustration of the above point is evident when comparing the "active" amount of testosterone yield in equal "mg" dosages of these two testosterone esters. Think of the 110mg/200mg injection of enanthate. The 74mg/100mg injection of propionate would yield more active testosterone if you were to take "200mg) of the drug. This would yield 148mg of testosterone from the propionate!! Do you see? So, 200mg of propionate is more "active" test than 200mg of enanthate.

That's the first I've read that put the enanthate ester weight that high. I thought it was somewhere around 30%.

Where did you find this?

 

[Mh48500]

An old post...I have seen 3 or 4 similar ones, and although they all differ a bit...they put them real close.

Here is another...

Active Steroid per 100mg:-

Testosterone Base: 100mg
Testosterone Acetate: 83mg
Testosterone Propionate: 80mg
Testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg
Testosterone Cypionate: 69mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg

But like I said in my 1st post....these are just reposts of things I have seen on other forums...are they correct? are they broscience? are they fact? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Mh48500]

I think you're overthinking it a little bro.

Is there a difference? Yeah, sure. But I've used both and cyp at 500mg per week is hardly any different than prop at 150mg eod (avgs out to 525mg per week). And I dont believe the broscience that prop causes less water retention.

That's just my opinion based off my experience.

As for prop causing less water...I seem to retain a lot less water on prop vs. Sust. That is also probably not the most scientific of an observation because since I ran my 1st cycles of Sust I am WAY more diet conscious.

Thats a problem in the AAS world, things sometimes get resaid or reposted so many times they almost become true. I learned that from homebrewing...so many guys repost shit and after havin brewed quite a bit realize they have no clue.

 

[zwhit]

Yea, those numbers are closer to what I've seen time and time again.


And yea, I try to base my posts mostly off experience and not 100% off of what I read.

 

[Mh48500]

It is the most responsible way I believe also.

 

[25homes]

Chart looks accurate