If you are trying to get ripped you could go the winny/eq route or add some fina. If you plan on dieting hard and doing the dbol/eq you want loose too much muscle if your diet is in check. To get ripped you need to do some cardio and have your diet in check. If youd diet is in check and you do cardio that drugs work amazing. Don't rely on the drugs and decide not to do any cardio and eat McDonalds. Make sure you take the right supplements if you do cardio on an empty stomach, like BCAA's, glutamine, and some ALA will help shed some fat.
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