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endomorph looking for suggestions

kamaboko

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if you're an endomorph then you already know we have a bitch of a time. fat is the evil word that never seems to go away. this is the deal....i'm looking for imformation on bulking up. as a typical endomorph, i can look at a piece of bread and gain five pounds...albeit fat. how can i bulk up without putting on an absolute shitload of fat? i understand fat is part of the equation in bulking, but my percentages can just go through the roof.

i'd like to hear from other endo's out there, or those that have trained them.

thanks
 
i've been lifting a while. stuck at around 176lbs @ 12-14%bf. once i try to put on weight to bulk up it instantly goes to fat. it doesn't seem to matter how hard i workout, aerobics, etc. it goes to fat then i skim down to my current weight to keep under control. there must be some information specifically for endo's out there. i found some stuff but it's very generic. right now i'm at 3000cals/day. 55% protein, 35% carbs, 15% fat.
 
there are many good diets you can try that work good with out putting on to much fat. The ABCDE by Bill Phillips would work, The Anabolic Diet or Bodyopus(AKA CKD), The maxmuscle diet(standard clean bb diet works wounders to) or the Isometric.

Search the net for these.

Bread doesnt all go to fat if its wholegrain it usally waterweight.

Dron't Try the Warrior diet

Just because you are bulking up doesnt mean you can overeat or eat junkfood.

Try to diet intill you can see you abbs than bulk.

Take a cheat day only once a week.
 
you can also try protein cycling, carb rotation and many others.

Also try to lift heavy and hard, and work on a different style of training. I suggest you search the net.
 
well u will gain fat no matter what, though i think if u gain easily then u could incorporate cardio when bulking and it wont hinder any muscle gains as you gain so easily? any experts, would high protein and moderate carbs to meet teh total cals per day be better than high carbs high protein, like a 50/30/20 pro/carbs/fat to a 50/30/20 carbs/pro/fat both around 20 X bw for total cals, would more protein cause any less fat gain? i know u are taking in a surplus of cals.
 
thanks for the responses....as you mentioned 110% i'm trying a 50/30/20 p/c/f diet at 3300 cals now. but holly shit, that's nearly 400 grams of protein. shit, i feel like i'm eating a fucking cow every day. :xeye: i've tried lowering the cals and easing up on the aerobics, but it catches up with me. bloody genetics! i'm going to have to give my parents some shit this weekend.
 
I am an endomorpf as well. When I began to get into this I took the approach that I would have a three year plan. I know some take the approach that you should get lean before starting to put on mass. This works very well for a lot of people but I took the approach that I would concentrate on mass first. The reason I did this was the fat will come off quicker with a higher metabolism which is a by product of more lean mass. The second year which I am currently in the middle was to lean down but not necessarily do a cut cycle. My goal is 10% bf by years end just by dieting appropriately ( I am currently at about 12 - 14 %) while still gaining mass slowly. Next year will be the lean out year where I should be quite vascular with nice mass.
As an endo, I don't think you should ever go over 16 times weight in caloric intake when bulking which would put you at about 2800 calories per day. I think your protions are pretty good although you need carbs if you are to gain mass so don't be afraid to eat them. Whe you maintain, you should be about 14 X body weight and when cutting you should be 10 X body weight.
It sucks because ecto can get away with eating so much more but unfortunately we have to work with what we have. Good luck bro.
 
kamaboko said:
i looked into the ABCDE program last night. it seems very interesting. lovebone, and other endomorphs, should give this a read. let me know what you think.

http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp
I think the ABCDE diet is a *BAD* idea for someone who gains fat easily. 2 weeks of bulking is just long enough to cause adipocyte hyperplasia (increase in the # of fat cells). I would go with something extremely moderate and long-term if I were you. Lower your calories and INCREASE your carbs, making sure they are nearly all low GI. Gain less than 1/2 lb per week and you should be fine. You need to strike a balance, and the ABCDE diet will just mess you up if you gain fat that easily. It is supposedly possible to gain lean mass on a CKD, but in my opinion that is basically retarded.

Have you tried gaining 1/3 to 1/2 lb per week and lifting HARD? If you gain weight faster than that, then you will definitely gain a high percentage fat.
 
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increasing my carbs is a "no go". i may do the following for the two week bulking cycle on the ABCDE plan:

3700 cals per day

2 days -- 50% p, 30% c, 20% f
2 days -- 40% p, 40% c, 20% f

i'd rotate between the days for the two weeks. i can do pretty good if my protein is high. i do have a problem with high carbs; for instance, four slices of bread each day would put me way over the edge. the only real way to know if this works is to give it a shot. if it doesn't then i'm back to square one.

where have you read high carbs, reduced cals would work? that's counter to every fitness site i've visited. all of them agree that endomorphs have a terrible time with high carb diets (i.e., those comprising of more than 50% of daily caloric intake.) based on my previous experience i'd have to agree with that statement. PLORNIVE are you an endomorph and have you tried your own suggestion?
 
plornive isnt an increase in the number of fat cells going to increase in any individual when bulking despite what type of body they have?
 
110% said:
plornive isnt an increase in the number of fat cells going to increase in any individual when bulking despite what type of body they have?
Sure, but I am advocating a very slow bulk. I should add that at a certain % bodyfat, he should stop the slow bulk, decrease calories and increase cardio slightly. This would then be a very slow cutting phase. The ABCDE diet relies on the supposed anticatabolic state at the beginning of the bulking phase after some militant dieting. In my mind, this theory does not offset the fact that the more you bulk, the more hyperplasia occurs, and the harder it is to cut after each bulk. I'm advocating a long-term approach.
 
kamaboko said:
where have you read high carbs, reduced cals would work? that's counter to every fitness site i've visited. all of them agree that endomorphs have a terrible time with high carb diets (i.e., those comprising of more than 50% of daily caloric intake.) based on my previous experience i'd have to agree with that statement. PLORNIVE are you an endomorph and have you tried your own suggestion?

If you are gaining too much fat, you're simply eating too much. Protein can have a thermogenic effect, but that is not the issue here. I don't care if you're an "endomorph", "ectomorph", whatever. It's about energy balance.

When trying to gain strength or perform well, you need carbohydrate. You cannot use any fuel but glycogen when doing a set of a weight-training exercise. If you don't eat carbohydrate, your liver will manufacture it's own glucose using fat, amino acids from injested protein and amino acids from muscle tissue.

Blood glucose raises insulin and prevents gluconeogenesis (conversion of protein/fat to glucose, but mostly protein). Therefore, increasing your carb intake will decrease gluconeogenesis. It makes sense to ingest some carbohydrates to fulfill a large portion of your glucose needs.

If you don't ingest glucose and rely on gluconeogenesis all the time, your metabolism will not be as high. Although a high protein diet will cause thermogenesis, your metabolism will drop. In addition, muscle synthesis won't happen to the same degree.

I think it is a good idea to reduce carbohydrate when cutting, simply because high insulin levels inhibit fat metabolism and you need to eat good fats to upregulate fat burning. Then again, a loss of weight will occur no matter what macronutrient ratios you have if there is a caloric deficit. This last little fact cannot be denied.

If you follow the ABCDE diet, you will gain a large amount of fat in a short time, lose it, and repeat. Over time, the number of fat cells in your body will increase, and you will become even more of an endomorph.

When going for strength/lean-mass gains, I stick with a high carb, moderate protein, very low fat diet. 30% protein, 5-10% essential fatty acids, and the rest low GI carbs, with some moderate to high GI carbs after a good workout. When cutting, I like to decrease carbs gradually to about 30% at the lowest, with 50% of my diet coming from protein and 20% from fat. I don't consider myself an endomorph or an ectomorph. I can get very lean, and I stay that way, but not without major effort. I don't gain or lose weight too quickly, and I monitor my calories so that I don't gain too much fat while gaining weight.
 
plornive said:

Sure, but I am advocating a very slow bulk. I should add that at a certain % bodyfat, he should stop the slow bulk, decrease calories and increase cardio slightly. This would then be a very slow cutting phase. The ABCDE diet relies on the supposed anticatabolic state at the beginning of the bulking phase after some militant dieting. In my mind, this theory does not offset the fact that the more you bulk, the more hyperplasia occurs, and the harder it is to cut after each bulk. I'm advocating a long-term approach.

Forgot to actually *answer* your question. I believe that individuals particularly prone to increases in fat-cell size (adipocyte hypertrophy) are also more prone to increases in the number of fat cells (adipocyte hyperplasia).
 
Well you never know if a diet works intill you try.
You can always bulk up for 4 weeks and cut for 4 weeks. That is enough time, just lower the calories at 1400-1500 durring the cutting faze, than take about 2 weeks off inbetween the cutting and bulking to ease back your calories. I am sure something has to work just experiment with things. Just be thankful you are not a ectomorph.
 
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