Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Just a thought, but it seems the consensus with regards to on cycle eating is to get as much food in as possible while keeping it as clean as one can. This has become way easier with protien shakes and bars, but still I wonder whether we get it right most of the time. I know I tend to take the approach of over consuming b/c I figure I want to make sure my body doesn't lack any nutrient or calorie during my cycle. I'm starting to think that I could really improve my gains, or the quality of them, by restricting my calories to the optimum level for growth rather than as much as I can stomach. It hard psychologically to limit eating even when bulking, but I'm convinced that it could lead to far better quality gains and less dieting in the future. Afterall, one can only utilize so much protien or carbs at a given time, so anything above this, even on cycle is counter-productive. I think I'm gonna finally bite the bullet and locate my optimal growth requirements. Anyone with opinions or experience in diet control even for bulking and growth, I'd be interested. I'm not saying limit anything, just advocating find a set required amount, even if it really high, just so long as its a determioned amount as opposed to as much as one can stomach, which has been my method for too long.
Eating On Cycle
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silverbackn
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I concur. You don't want to limit your gains, but at the same time your body can only put on muscle so fast. It takes time even when on drugs to make quality gains. Eat as many clean calories as possible. I am eating 3 or 4 pounds of potatos a day and chicken or steak with every meal. I have lost 12 pounds, I am down to 240. My abs are pretty tight though at that weight. I am 6'1 by the way. I definitely think as you become more developed you have to go the quality over quantity route. I won't have to diet as hard for before my show either. That's always a plus.
Thans silver, I figured bros who compete would be particularly adept at this. With diet in mind, I saw another post about cutting on dbol. I think it could be done, with diet being the real critical factor. afterall, dbol creates the ideal muscle-inducing environment in your body. If you restrict calories to only what you need or even sub-maintainance, the dbol will help you keep and even build muscle. Granted the bloat would hide the effects, but once the dbol was done and the water shed, the lean muscle would still be there.
With gains, I've found my best gains come at certain times, and it rarely coincides with excessive caloric intake. I grow b/c I'm lifting and providing enough nutrients, but excess is still just that. Finding the ideal bulking and cutting requirements of prot/carbs and meal frequency is something I've avoided for too long. It doesn't hold the glamor of planning my next cycle, but its probably twice as important.
With gains, I've found my best gains come at certain times, and it rarely coincides with excessive caloric intake. I grow b/c I'm lifting and providing enough nutrients, but excess is still just that. Finding the ideal bulking and cutting requirements of prot/carbs and meal frequency is something I've avoided for too long. It doesn't hold the glamor of planning my next cycle, but its probably twice as important.
silverbackn
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That last sentence you wrote is the most understated thing in bodybuilding! Diet isn't as sexy as drugs are, but it is twice as important. Damn, you hit the nail on the head. It's so simple, but so overlooked! You got me fired up 
idcbp said:
Very true and I will share some new information I just learned last week. I went and saw my doc who was once upon a time a pro body builder. I took my diet into him and he told me in 10 years I would need new kidneys due to my protein intake being above 400mgs a dayBB he used to compete with (dont want to mention names) and he told me he had the same conversation with this BB many years ago. Currenty that BB is in the hospital getting a kidney replacement just as my doc warned. I did go to this BB's website and sure enough his publicist posted it on the www site that he was hospitalized with kidney failure. So I guess more is not always better, or in my case I know not to over due it, my levels and BP were all out of whack and doc claims my "bulking" diet was to blame. I go back next week to get checked again.
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indy69camaro said:
I agree with your points entirely, but how can we be sure the kidney problems weren't drug-related? Protein stresses kidneys, sure, but was there anything else that may have complicated his condition? Not to cut anyone's credibility, but sometimes facts are ommitted to certify personal theories. My $0.02
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silverbackn
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That is exactly what I was thinking. There might have been a correlation, but maybe not. I have colitis, do you know how many different things I could blame that on? I am only 24 by the way.escher said:
Goldprospector
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From what I understand. it is hard to stress the kidney with protein if you drink enough water. I have felt kidney pains before...but always increasing water fixes it right away.
silverbackn
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No problem bro! I am between 6'1 and 6'2, I weigh in the low 240's right now and am pretty tight. I am 24 years old. I am only on my second cycle right now. I am running 700mg's of test a week and 400mg's of eq a week. I did a show last summer and plan on doing 1 or 2 this summer. I was 215 at the early weigh ins. I am eating nothing but cube steak and potatoes 3 times a day and chicken and potatoes the other 3 meals a day. I am usually eating 8-10 ounces of meat and 12 ounces of potato. Since cleaning up my diet the last month I have dropped 12 pounds.JKurz1 said:
dr0832
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What is an optimal calorie level for making gains, (not necessarily the maximum amountpossible), with the least possible amount of fat gain. +500, +750, +1000?
I am on my first cycle clean bulking and eating about 750-1000 calories over my bmr right now and I feel bloated as fuck and like shit. I am not trying to gain a ton of weight. I would rather gain 8lbs of muscle and cut a little fat if its possible. I know people say its not possible or difficult to gain muslce and lose fat at the same time but theoretically what would the best way to experiment with this be?
I am on my first cycle clean bulking and eating about 750-1000 calories over my bmr right now and I feel bloated as fuck and like shit. I am not trying to gain a ton of weight. I would rather gain 8lbs of muscle and cut a little fat if its possible. I know people say its not possible or difficult to gain muslce and lose fat at the same time but theoretically what would the best way to experiment with this be?
shortstack
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silverbackn said:
i really dont think you could blame colitis on many things.
silverbackn
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That was my point, that I could link it to 100 different things, many of them which wouldn't be relevant.shortstack said:
silverbackn
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I do eat some yams and fruit. I am working with a national guy on my diet. He outlined it for me. It's so different from what I was doing before. I was eating any and everything before. He wants me to stay tighter year round and put on quality weight slowly. It's a totally different mind set, it's definitely a change for me. I would like to get up to 275 eventually, I have only been up to 253 thus far.JKurz1 said:
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satchboogie
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eating on a cycle...
this is much too broad of a statement.
what cycle are talkin about? cutter or bulker?
also, what gear is used and for how long?
also, what are the long terms goals of the user??
if the above info is provided, then the original post can be answered more accurately.
this is much too broad of a statement.
what cycle are talkin about? cutter or bulker?
also, what gear is used and for how long?
also, what are the long terms goals of the user??
if the above info is provided, then the original post can be answered more accurately.
shortstack
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silverbackn said:
well BB's used to bulk and do just that, then lean and do just that. the new mindset that alot of the pro's are addapting to is trying to stay 5-7 % within compition bf. btw, how does aas and your colitis do? i have crohn's btw
satchboogie said:
If I had to be specific, it would be eating on a bulking cycle. In this case, I've always just gone for as much as I could eat, clean but over the top, inorder to get the most out of the bulk cycle. I figure I could diet the access off anyway. But now I'm trying to refine my eating for bulk to what I really need.
I've been told @ 220 I need as much as 400+ g of protien to bulk properly. When I think about this it just seems too high. Especially when I know guys at similar and higher body weights that gain just fine on 240-300 g. of protien tops. Isn't it difficult for you body to assimilate much more than 40g of protien at a time anyway? Digestion of protien takes 2-4 hours on average right so taking the upper limits of these figures just for theory you could possibly use 40g of protien every 2 hours. From the 24 hour day take 8 hours for sleep. Now we have 16 waking hours. Divided by 2 hour intervals we have 8 "meals" of 40g for 320g. protien. Now I may have some facts wrong, but this is got to be a somewhat approximation of the max. protien not that we need, but that we can even use. Maybe a little more, very possibly less, but the point is that at some point you can't use anymore and that level is below what alot of bros are shooting for. I'm by no means a diet expert and really value input from bros with experience along with the lessons they've learned from others. Just seems that there must be a more exact formula for caloric intake, especially with protien.
Also, while I agree that protien itself won't crush your kidneys, it does strain them and when this comes ontop of other factors it can't help. I just want to make sure that if I make my body buy,consume and process the protien, it better be doing me some good. Great discussion bros
