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DUBYA'S GROVEL

By RALPH PETERS
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August 9, 2002 -- THE spectacle of President Bush groveling to Saudi bigots is a disgrace. The Saudis sponsor terror, export hatred, undercut American interests and kill Americans. They are our enemies. Period. History will marvel at this administration's insistence that they remain our friends.
After Sept. 11, Bush took an impressive stand against global terrorism, although his resolve has grown wobbly in recent months - especially in the Middle East. But his administration consistently turned a blind eye to Saudi culpability. Our president speaks of an "axis of evil," but ignores the nexus of evil in Riyadh.

The sad explanation seems to be that this oilman's administration cannot see beyond the lure of oil deals, past cozy historical relationships between American dynasties and the Saudi dynasty, or past the traditional wisdom that has served to protect only degenerate Saudi princes, not the American people.

Reluctantly, one is forced to wonder what the Saudi ruling family knows that might prove embarrassing to our current political leadership, were it to be revealed. Is this a case merely of strategic blindness, or of implicit blackmail? How can this administration berate Israel for defending itself, while begging Saudi forgiveness for a closed-door briefing?

The trigger for the latest orgy of kissing Saudi feet was an article in The Washington Post by one of our nation's finest reporters, Thomas E. Ricks, revealing that a Pentagon briefing to top insiders dared to question Saudi virtue and perfection.

President Bush & Co. immediately got on the phone to Prince Bunkum bin Bigot to insist we didn't really mean it, like a spineless husband caught cheating on camera. In this grotesque case, our president clearly forgot who he works for. Bush family friends or not, the Saudis are murderers. And their preferred victims are Americans.

The royal family doesn't do its own dirty work, of course - no more than they fight their own wars. Like mafia dons, they put out contracts. Some of those contracts are for oil deals or public-relations blitzes, or to buy influence-packing lobbyists inside the Beltway. Others involve money handed to terrorists to spread the cruelest imaginable perversion of a great world religion - in the end, the Saudis are even greater enemies to the future of the Islamic world than they are to the United States.

In fact, the comparison to the mafia is unfair to organized crime, since the mafia did have a code of honor, a sense of obligation and respect for women.

Having worked in Washington during the thought-police Clinton years, when even classified intelligence products had to be tailored to avoid offending one constituency or another, I had hoped that the change in administrations would mean we might return to honest assessments within our security community.

The contrarian briefing on the Saudis by a Rand Corporation associate - who likely will be exiled to assess traffic-light timing in Jellystone National Park - was exactly the sort of alternative presentation we need. But the administration's hysterical over-reaction to the report that freedom of speech had been exercised behind closed doors at the Pentagon portends another crackdown on fresh thinking.

How on earth can our intelligence system ever get better if its voices cannot speak honestly? If we are not permitted to consider alternative futures, we shall inevitably remain prisoners of the traditional wisdom that has failed us so tragically.

And what about alternative futures in the Middle East? The administration's lack of vision regarding the Saudis is compounded by Washington's desperate efforts to cling to past models in a rapidly changing world. At a time when our Saudi "friends" publicly and insultingly announce that we cannot use the multibillion-dollar military facilities we built on their soil to eliminate Iraq's dictator (a creature almost as dangerous and vicious as the Saudi ruling family), it's time to start asking hard questions.

It's also time to stop begging the Saudis. For anything.

Of course the Saudis don't want Saddam toppled, because a pro-Western regime in Iraq would be yet another alternative source of oil. Despite their whining about injustice toward the Palestinians, the Saudis like the Middle East situation just as it is. They want to retain as much oil-supply leverage over us as they can, and they're already worried about the nearly 50 percent decline in their share of exports to the United States since the days when they could afford to turn off the taps and throw our country into economic crisis. (Yeah, they were our "friends" back then, too.)

Let's do what Washington is too gutless to do and imagine, briefly, an alternative Middle East: Saddam's gone, the peoples who compose Iraq are free and the oil's flowing. Engagement with Iran helps the Iranian people oust the last desperate religious hardliners, and the oil's flowing.

And warrants are issued internationally for the arrest of every Saudi prince who has given money to terrorist organizations or otherwise sponsored the murder of Americans, making it clear that we really are serious about fighting terror everywhere. Those warrants would cause severe financial hardship to numerous European luxury hotels, casinos, high-end prostitutes, vintners and distillers, but life's tough.

Next, we let the House of Saud collapse like the house of cards it really is. Contrary to the woe-is-us warnings of the Washington intelligentsia ("Yes, Comrade Stalin, anything you say, Comrade Stalin!"), a more amenable, humane regime might emerge from the fall of the Bedouin billionaires who turned back the clock on Islam while lighting the global terrorist fuse.

If a fundamentalist regime emerges on the Arabian peninsula, it likely would be transitional. During that transition, the United States could - and should - administer Saudi Arabia's oil fields for the common good of the people of the region. That means money for schools that educate youth for a better future, not madrassas that wallow in old hatreds.

It means money for health care for the poor, not blood money for the families of suicide bombers. It means funds to build a legitimate, democratic Palestinian state free of armaments, terror and corruption. And it means justice for all, men, women and children, not medieval oppression, torture and religious persecution.

It is astonishing that the Bush administration cannot imagine a world without the Saudi ruling family. I certainly can. And it's a world that looks a great deal more humane for Muslims, Jews and Christians.

Mr. President, it is time to stop bending over to kiss Saudi feet and time to stand tall in the face of Saudi bigotry, corruption and terrorism.

Ralph Peters is a retired Army officer and the author of the new book "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World."
 
Ever get the feeling its time to get out the life rafts before the ship goes down? Had we been working on alternate energy sources years ago this wouldn't be a problem. However since it seems that 80% of Americans are insistent upon driving huge ass trucks and SUV's that guzzle Saudi oil/gas then we are as some might say: screwed. I want to move to Australia before the US turns into a Mad Max movie.
 
once again, the saudi's need our money more than we need their oil. their petroleum sector accounts for roughly 75% of budget revenues, 40% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings
 
BigRedCat said:


1.Ever get the feeling its time to get out the life rafts before the ship goes down?


2.Had we been working on alternate energy sources years ago this wouldn't be a problem.

3.However since it seems that 80% of Americans are insistent upon driving huge ass trucks and SUV's that guzzle Saudi oil/gas then we are as some might say: screwed.

4.I want to move to Australia before the US turns into a Mad Max movie.

1. no.

2. we have been working on alternative energy sources for years, and you know what? no one wants them. unless people start wanting to use slow, small, and dangerous cars, there wont be any market for them...unless the government forces it upon us (god forbid)

3. silly americans. why would anyone want to drive a safer that has more space for more passengers? that just makes no sense to me. they should just stop using them and save a little gas for everyone else... :rolleyes:

4. say hello to tom cruise and all the other hypocritical, lying, liberal fucks in hollywood that swore they would move there if bush got elected.
 
Sorry to our OZ members.
Not a slamfest of Austrailia.
Just an example because you stated you wanted to move there and we were speaking of F'd Up Goverment people.
 
SUV's are safer for who? The people driving them maybe, certainly not for the people they constantly crash into and crush. If you think I am a liberal your nuts. I am the biggest gun nut I know. Anyway, because you think America is going downhill fast does not make you a liberal by any means. Those alternate energy sources you speak of are half ass attempts at the problem. For example- Dodge has a concept Charger that runs on part gas and has 350HP, dosent sound slow to me. People dont want them? Well they dont have a choice, sooner or later we WILL run out of resources for oil. Probably sooner than later. I see why we all need huge SUV's since whenever I see one it is driven by one woman- definately need all that extra space. Your right, lets burn up all the gas as fast as possible, who cares!
 
BigRedCat said:
SUV's are safer for who? The people driving them maybe, certainly not for the people they constantly crash into and crush. If you think I am a liberal your nuts. I am the biggest gun nut I know. Anyway, because you think America is going downhill fast does not make you a liberal by any means. Those alternate energy sources you speak of are half ass attempts at the problem. For example- Dodge has a concept Charger that runs on part gas and has 350HP, dosent sound slow to me. People dont want them? Well they dont have a choice, sooner or later we WILL run out of resources for oil. Probably sooner than later. I see why we all need huge SUV's since whenever I see one it is driven by one woman- definately need all that extra space. Your right, lets burn up all the gas as fast as possible, who cares!

Do you drive an electric car or only ride a bike?

I hope so....
 
BigRedCat said:
1.SUV's are safer for who? The people driving them maybe, certainly not for the people they constantly crash into and crush.

2.Those alternate energy sources you speak of are half ass attempts at the problem.

3.sooner or later we WILL run out of resources for oil. Probably sooner than later.

4.I see why we all need huge SUV's since whenever I see one it is driven by one woman- definately need all that extra space.

1. i forgot, it just isnt fair that everyone cant drive a big, safe car. everyone should be entitled to drive a car such as a mercedes or volvo, because they are safer. if people dont want to get 'crushed', they should buy a safer car, not try to make the government punish those who can afford it. and what is with you people giving human charachteristics to SUV's? blame the person driving the SUV, not the machine.

2. once again, because there is no fucking market for it. once people want it, there will be a market for it.

3. lets drill in anwar then. lets develop new technology to get the all of the oil seeping into the ocean, which is polluting it after all (you should be all for this), from these untapped reserves. do you think their is a finite supply of oil? how come they are finding oil in places it wasnt at earlier? even leading scientists in the oil industry are certain that oil is still being produced to this day.

4. you want the government telling you what you can and cant drive? where do you think it will end? what if more and more people start taking this attitude towards guns (since you are a self-proclaimed 'gun nut'?
 
BigRedCat said:
grrrrrrrr....me hate soccer moms. Back to the political debate: Bush is a puppet, who controls the strings?

I think it is obviously the vice president. (but who knows)
 
:rolleyes:

if cheney was running the show, there would be less talk and more action with these people. he is more of a 'hawk' than bush is.
 
p0ink said:
:rolleyes:

if cheney was running the show, there would be less talk and more action with these people. he is more of a 'hawk' than bush is.

He may be a hawk but he isn´t stupid. You can´t just bomb whenever. He´s much more clever. If I were you I would hope he was running things.
 
aurelius said:


He may be a hawk but he isn´t stupid. You can´t just bomb whenever. He´s much more clever. If I were you I would hope he was running things.

yeah..normally i dont like criticizing my own party, but im not a republican, im a conservative.
 
p0ink said:
once again, the saudi's need our money more than we need their oil. their petroleum sector accounts for roughly 75% of budget revenues, 40% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings

I'm not so sure.

are these statitics how much money the US finances their economy?

because we are the ones that ask them to raise production when other OPEC states try to raise oil prices by lowering production. and they comply.

And I know we purchase more Iraqi oil than anyone else.
 
BigRedCat said:
Ever get the feeling its time to get out the life rafts before the ship goes down? Had we been working on alternate energy sources years ago this wouldn't be a problem. However since it seems that 80% of Americans are insistent upon driving huge ass trucks and SUV's that guzzle Saudi oil/gas then we are as some might say: screwed. I want to move to Australia before the US turns into a Mad Max movie.

pOink has already mentioned that we HAVE been working on alternative energy sources for years. The problem is that no one has produced a viable alternative that compares to oil, yet. I think the hybrids will morph into more powerful engines as time goes on, but until recently, you had to have a car that was 50% or more battery that had to be recharged very frequently.

If alternative energy was just around the corner, then Europe would have it, what with their eco-socialist political systems. They have not succeeded and yet they finance these programs.
 
cockdezl said:


If alternative energy was just around the corner, then Europe would have it, what with their eco-socialist political systems. They have not succeeded and yet they finance these programs.

Total shite. Come up with one example! European governments make way more from taxing petroleum products than OPEC makes from taking it out of the ground. They have no equivalents to California legislation and jealously guard their national car industries.

What do you all think plastic is made from? There's no getting past an oil economy.

BTW, the U.S. only imports 14% of it's oil from Saudi Arabia. Anybody ever read about the embargo of 1973? We might be dumb but not that dumb.
 
The Nature Boy said:


I'm not so sure.

are these statitics how much money the US finances their economy?

those stats are legit, they are from the CIA's website. that isnt the amount of money america dumps into their country, but the majority of it is.
 
the only reason the saudi's have any money is because the united states keeps pumping money in there and we keep on buying their oil. they know they need our money more than we need our oil.

oh yeah, why the red on the gun control thread?
 
dude get this! it's pretty eye opening..... for me it is anyway.

the saudi's have purchased 39.6 Billion dollars worth of military equipment since 1990. Dude that's a lot of money. We need these guys to buy our shit!!! You can't get rid of a customer like the saudi's so easily. I bet the defense industry wants to hold off on doing ANYTHING to the Saudi's for fear of loosing that money. And we all know what kind of pull defense contractors have.
 
The Nature Boy said:
dude get this! it's pretty eye opening..... for me it is anyway.

the saudi's have purchased 39.6 Billion dollars worth of military equipment since 1990. Dude that's a lot of money. We need these guys to buy our shit!!! You can't get rid of a customer like the saudi's so easily. I bet the defense industry wants to hold off on doing ANYTHING to the Saudi's for fear of loosing that money. And we all know what kind of pull defense contractors have.

All that and more is in a recently released Economist issue about the defense industry. Must read it.
 
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