Dry Gains & combating Bloat from Cyp

[SLICED]

I'm about to get to start a cycle of
400mg/week for 10 wk of Testoril C (test cypionate)
along with 50mg/day for 5 weeks of Orastrol (winstrol)

In the past doing Deca, dbol, test cycles I've been bloated like a mofo'

I've never used A-dex, just Nolva and Clomid during PCT.

This time around I am going to incorporate Arimidex and Proviron to combat any water retention. I want my gains to be DRY as hell.

I have decided to go with .5 mg of A-dex everyday along with 20mg of Proviron everday throughout the cycle. Do you guys feel this would be a strong enough combo and dosage to combat any water retention sides?

I WANT 0 BLOAT

 

[Makavelli]

I'm about to get to start a cycle of
400mg/week for 10 wk of Testoril C (test cypionate)
along with 50mg/day for 5 weeks of Orastrol (winstrol)

In the past doing Deca, dbol, test cycles I've been bloated like a mofo'

I've never used A-dex, just Nolva and Clomid during PCT.

This time around I am going to incorporate Arimidex and Proviron to combat any water retention. I want my gains to be DRY as hell.

I have decided to go with .5 mg of A-dex everyday along with 20mg of Proviron everday throughout the cycle. Do you guys feel this would be a strong enough combo and dosage to combat any water retention sides?

I WANT 0 BLOAT

That will do it. Remember that most steroid novices get bloated b/c they eat shit while on. You'd be surprised how much less bloated you'll be if you eat clean.

 

[SLICED]

Yea during my last cycle I was bulking and eating as clean as possible and lowering my sodium intake tremendously but I still got major bloat (from the deca and dbol I presume) in the facial area particularly.

I'd rather jeaopordize some gains by lowering the estrogen somewhat than look moon faced.


any other input would be appreciated fellas

 

[mrplunkey]

Just my 2 cents, but Arimdex is potent stuff. I do cycles with 250-350 mg of test blends (ultratest, which contains a good bit of cyponate) and 0.5 mg of Arimdex EoD is pleanty for me.

 

[tattoofever]

i like letro

 

[azul]

Forget about Arimidex. Read the following excerpt from http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catarimidex.htm:

"Often times during a cycle most will want to allow for some estrogen, since it heavily promotes strength and gains as well (increases GH, upgrades the androgen receptor, improves glucose utilization). These people will generally opt for an estrogen receptor antagonist such as Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or Clomid (Clomiphene). These products do not stop the formation of estrogen, but stop the estrogen from exerting its effects by competitively taking up the receptors for this hormone. This allows them to stop any problems dead in their tracks, acting very fast, but upon discontinuation allowing for immediate influx of estrogen again as well.

This has the benefit that they can be used as soon as problems arise, and discontinued when they subside, thereby only reducing estrogen-mediated gains for the time-span of the occurring problem (mostly gyno). Aromatase blockers like arimidex and proviron on the other hand are more useful for those seeking to eliminate estrogen from a cycle of aromatizable steroids all together. People who are willing to settle for slower gains, in an attempt to stay lean throughout, or for those who are truly sensitive to estrogen and do not want to take the risk of problems occurring. And arimidex is the clear weapon of choice here, at least to those who can afford it."

It's expensive, and it will limit gains. Just go with Nolva.

 

[donsj]

Alright I know this ain't gonna go over well but in addition to nolva when I notice it getting to be a little much I will do small, like 40mg of lasix for about 3 days. It can be dangerous if you don't eat foods rich in potassium so I toss in about 3 oranges for those 3 days which will supplement about a gram and a half of potassium and I do not get cramps or anything at all but the oranges are a must or OJ, without it I cramp right away 1st day. They give lasix to really sick people at sometimes 3 times the dose I am recommending every day so how dangerous is it. I have been careful about this one. Sucks water right off like you wouldn't believe. I know I am gonna get hammered for this one.

 

[Makavelli]

I don't agree with the GH/estrogen theory on limiting gains. The only thing eliminated from using anti-e's are water. I don't consider water gains substantial.

 

[swordfish151]

Just my 2 cents, but Arimdex is potent stuff. I do cycles with 250-350 mg of test blends (ultratest, which contains a good bit of cyponate) and 0.5 mg of Arimdex EoD is pleanty for me.

How much does a-dex hinder gains? say just on sust cycle?

 

[crfpilot14]

AI's like adex can screw up your lipid profile as well...use the smallest dose you can get away with. i would suggest starting at 0.25mg ed and titrating up. 0.5mg ed works well for most. when was your last fasting lipid profile? it would be wise to get some baseline labs before starting...

 

[mrplunkey]

How much does a-dex hinder gains? say just on sust cycle?

I'm really not a good gauge of how much a-dex hinders gains since 1) On my low cycles, i'm completely fine with 5-7 lbs net of LBM (ex water) and 2) I've only cycled with a-dex, so I don't know what it would be like without it.

 

[Makavelli]

How much does a-dex hinder gains? say just on sust cycle?

It doesn't hinder gains, it prevents water retention.

 

[Smokescreen]

Look at my avatar. Cyp, EQ and Dbol with Proviron. Proviron is all you need bro. To mass up...expect bloat. You want lean gains....stick to Tren.

 

[jgruebele]

a buddy of mine bought test cipionate, it's got a little kangaroo on the box and the batch number is 19604 anyone know about it?