Drug testing

[Dr. JK]

Does anyone know what steroids are checked for and the capability of detection?

Can they/have capability to detect less common ones, like Fina, Halo, clen???

Al I know about testing is that they detect a "toxine" and then have to conduct other tests to determine the type of toxine. Can anyone confirm and/or add to the testing procedure?

Thanks,
Dr. JK (wish I was a lab tech)

 

[Dr. JK]

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[aussiebound]

What type of test are they doing? If it is just pre-employment, even then 10 compound test wont test for gear. But, if they are testing for gear, I know Tren will show up, either as Trenbolon or nandrolone.

 

[Dr. JK]

It's a Tai Boxing Competition. I have no idea of their detection capability. All I know is I get tested 1day before and maybe right after.

 

[PRAETORIAN]

Testing

It all depends on what type of test is being performed! If they are doing a epitestosterone/testosterone ratio test then you must give yourself time to normalize your ratios...ie clomid and time off usually 4-5 weeks...if they are testing for metabolites ie. gas chromatography/mass spectrometry then you will need to go by clearance times depending on the drug used...doa search on clearance times...and yes they can test for all anabolics..except testosterone..they need a ratio test for that!

 

[Dr. JK]

Thanks for the reply PRAETORIAN.
Can you please elaborate how the test is conducted, i.e. how and what do they look for and how it's detected.

What kind of equipment do they need, i.e. is it all the same?

Thanks

 

[PRAETORIAN]

Testing

My pleasure!
If testing for metabolites they must test for each individual drug and look for its signature..this requires expensive equipment ie. mass spectrometry/gas chromatography..and usually this is used in and IOC accredited lab..ie UCLA epi/test ratio tests can be done on saliva, blood, or urine and only look at the ratio of epitestosterone to testosterone..normal males 1:1 ration..but even in IOC tests they give you leeway of 6:1 so you have a little play...most likely it wil be this test as it is less expensive ie. $250.00 approx as opposed to $1000.00 for the metabolite test...either way i would recommend going off and doing clomid for at least 3-4 weeks..you can alos test yourself via labs that will test a sample of saliva..do a search on drug testing labs on google!

 

[Dr. JK]

Thanks for the info.
What is the amount of test (mg wise) they use for a base line comparison?

What about Halo, can they detect it with epi/test ratio? I am assuming yes.

If so then the mg baseline & 6:1 ratio will tell me if I can be on Halos and the mg allowed at that time

I know they will detect Winny so I will drop it a few weeks out. But if I can use Halos that would be good, even at a low dose (15mg/day)

If you can help me with amount of test (mg) they compare to then that would be great.

Thanks again

 

[PRAETORIAN]

Testing

There is no baseline mg wise of testosterone...they only measure your epitestosterone to testosterone ratio....it has to be 6:1 or less...any anabolic will suppress natural testosterone production thus increasing the ratio...the only way to tell if you could make the 6:1 or below while on is to test yourself before hand...check out http://www.medlean.com/ML_hormonesandrocheck.html for self tests! Even winny and primo will suppress natural test and potentially could show higher than a 6:1 ratio...

 

[HOLLYWD]

Pre-Employment Test

Hey Aussie, will nolva or clomid show up on a pre employment drug test?

 

[Dr. JK]

Testing

How are other substances than test detected?

 

[PRAETORIAN]

Testing

Exogenous(not produced by the body) testosterone cannot be differentiated from natural(endogenous) testosterone using GC/MS testing...therefore a epitest/test ratio type test must be performed...other anabolic compounds such as tren, halo, winny , primo etc etc...can be detected using the GC/MS testing procedure..as is done in IOC labs ie the Olympics!

How this works..in simple terms...
.Identification of a compound based on it's mass spectrum relies on the fact that every compound has a unique fragmentation pattern.. A library of known mass spectra which may be several thousand compounds in size is stored on a computer and may be searched using computer algorithms to assist the analyst in identifying the unknown. It is important to incorporate all other available structural information (chemical, spectral, sample history) into the interpretation wherever appropriate.
The ultimate goal is accurate identification of a compound, which can be facilitated bythe utilization of the GC/MS.

PS. HGH, and Insulin are still undetectable according to IOC standard testing procedures.

 

[Dr. JK]

Question:

Why can't they detect HGH in the same manner as test, i.e. epitest ratio?

In a case where there are large amounts of HGH present, it would indicate a foreign origin as the body is not able to produce that amount for that age group.

Dr. JK

 

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