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Dreams- remembering or not

Manu

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What is the reason behind remembering dreams when we wake up?
Some people seems to be able to remember very well the dreams they have.
They seem to be able to remember even after some time the dream they had during the night. I find it pretty amazing since usually i am not able to remember anything.
Not only that, they seems to be able to "control" in some way the dreams they have.

I am very curious in what is the reason for remembering or not dreams. Is it good or bad sign when you don't remember dreams? Or it is not that simple?
Does anyone has a clue?
 
A lot of it is just psysiological. Nothing to worry about.

But some things can help.

Magnesium for example is an NMDA receptor antagonist, so it could aid sleep by producing more vivid dreams, it also marks a significant improvement in sleep efficiency in insomniac's.

Zinc increases REM-sleep, and promotes immune health and tissue recovery in delta sleep. Also, I have read that Zinc can produce some psychodynamic reactions in the brain (ie.. enhanced dream recall).
 
Read this as you may find some answers:

The "Purpose" of Dreams
by G. William Domhoff
Dreams are so compelling, and they often seem so weird and strange -- surely they must have a "purpose"; that is, an "adaptive role" in the maintenance of our bodily or psychological health. Furthermore, all the famous theorists who talk about dreams claim that dreams do have one or another purpose (although the famous theorists disagree on just what those functions are), but the best current evidence suggests otherwise. Dreams probably have no purpose!

So let's review the arguments and the evidence. We'll start with the claims made by psychoanalysts and clinical psychologists in the first 50 years of the century based on their work with patients, then turn to more recent claims, some of which are based on work in sleep and dream laboratories that flourished in the 1950's and 1960's. The views presented here are those of research psychologists who have studied dreams inside and outside the laboratory, especially David Foulkes and Calvin Hall. References to Foulkes' work are provided at the end of this document.

The first and most famous dream theorist of the modern era, Sigmund Freud, said that the function of dreams was to preserve sleep, but that theory from the year 1900 is contradicted by the fact that dreams happen very regularly at least five or six times per night in an active stage of sleep called REM sleep (after the rapid eye movements that are part of it, along with many other neurological and physiological changes). In other words, dreams don't just happen as we are about to wake up due to hunger pangs, sexual urges, or the need to go to the bathroom, as Freud thought way back when, before REM sleep was discovered in 1953.

The other famous dream theorist of the modern era, Carl Jung, an early follower of Freud who broke away to develop a very different theory, claimed that the function of dreams is to compensate for those parts of the psyche (total personality) that are underdeveloped in waking life, but Calvin Hall's studies of two-week dream series from students and longer dream journals from adults of all ages strongly suggest that dream content is continuous with waking thought and behavior. That is, if we are outgoing and active in our waking life, and not very introspective and reflective, then so too in our dream life, which contradicts Jung's view.

Still other dream theorists say that dreams have a problem-solving function. Dreams supposedly deal with problems we can't solve in waking life and offer solutions. But a variety of systematic studies find precious little support for this view. However, this is one of those places where we have developed "uses" for our dreams as part of our cultural lore. Looking at them in the light of waking day, and believing that they may be full of insight, we may sometimes come up with new ideas or insights while studying them. That is, we have invented a "use" for dreams, but that doesn't mean that problem solving is a psychological function of dreams built into us over evolutionary time.

So much for the claims by clinical theorists. Now we look at claims that have emerged in recent years, but are tied to no particular theory or famous theorist. They are the new "common sense" of our day, based on a reverence for physiological findings and the awesome capabilities of computers.

When REM sleep was first discovered, it was thought that dreams only occurred during that stage of sleep. This led to many functional theories about dreaming that were based on alleged functions for REM sleep. But we now have reason to believe that plenty of dreams happen in non-REM (NREM) sleep, especially late in the sleep period.

Furthermore, awakenings of children under age 5 in the sleep laboratory reveal that they only report dreams from REM sleep awakenings 20-25% of the time, so REM sleep does not automatically equate to dreaming. In addition, REM sleep can be found in all mammals, and it is unlikely that they are dreaming, i.e., imagining a world or story in which they are taking part and interacting with others. Dreams, as the pre-eminent American psychologist on dreams, David Foulkes, likes to say, are a "cognitive achievement." We only gradually develop the ability to dream. What all this adds up to is that REM sleep and dreaming are not the same thing, so whatever functions REM sleep may have cannot be taken as functions for dreaming and dreams.

The fact that we remember so few of our dreams -- a few percent at best -- also argues against any function for dreams. If they are so important, why don't we remember more of them? Furthermore, the people who remember a great many dreams don't seem to be any different from those who remember few or none, at least on the standard personality tests that have been used in many studies to date. If dreams are important, why aren't the recallers of them better off in some way?

With the advent of computers, it became fashionable to say that dreams are "clearing out the software" from a busy day, or that they are a form of "off-line" processing to save the good stuff and get rid of the useless. Aside from the fact that such theories show how susceptible our supposedly highest thinking is to the dominant technology of any given era, the problem with this theory of dream function is that very, very little in dreams deals with the events of the day. Often there is some little leftover from the day, first noticed by Freud and named "day residue," but the rest of the dream is a story that does not deal with actual events. The story is usually plausible and even mundane, and it often contains the most important people and concerns of our lives, but it is nonetheless a story.

We are thinking creatures because thinking is a valuable adaptation, but that doesn't mean that all forms of thinking have a function. Dreams at this moment in the collective findings of dream researchers seem to be a "throw-away" production, an off-hand story to while the night away. That judgment could be changed tomorrow by new and original studies by a new generation of young dream researchers, but right now the preponderance of the evidence weights against any physiological or psychological function for dreaming and dreams.
 
KnoXville said:
A lot of it is just psysiological. Nothing to worry about.

But some things can help.

Magnesium for example is an NMDA receptor antagonist, so it could aid sleep by producing more vivid dreams, it also marks a significant improvement in sleep efficiency in insomniac's.

Zinc increases REM-sleep, and promotes immune health and tissue recovery in delta sleep. Also, I have read that Zinc can produce some psychodynamic reactions in the brain (ie.. enhanced dream recall).

Very nice.
I should give ZMA a try some time.
 
TerraNoble said:

Furthermore, the people who remember a great many dreams don't seem to be any different from those who remember few or none, at least on the standard personality tests that have been used in many studies to date.

That confirms my impression after talking to several people about it.

Thanks TerraNoble.
 
Manu said:


That confirms my impression after talking to several people about it.

Thanks TerraNoble.
Just found this:

there is another take on dreams:
Why are dreams so strange and silly?
During REM sleep, our body is almost completely paralyzed. The heart and other automatically controlled muscles still function, but our head and limbs really cannot move very much. Also during REM sleep, there is intense stimulation getting to those parts of our brain that interpret what we see, hear and feel. However, this stimulation is coming from within the brain itself. And, the stimulation is occurring at a time when the muscles we use to move about and orient our eyes and ears to stimulation are inoperative. Even under these conditions, our mind does its job and tries to make sense of what it 'sees, hears and feels'. Our mind 'making sense' of stimulation coming from inside the brain, while our muscles are paralyzed, leads to the bizarre experiences we know as dreams. Doctors believe that many common features of dreams stem from the physiological paralysis that occurs during REM sleep. For example, many people dream about falling, being unable to get away from a pursuer or being unable to move fast enough to prevent some accident. All these kinds of dreams have the common feature of movement impairment which may stem from the brain's recognition of paralysis during REM sleep.
 
Manu said:
What is the reason behind remembering dreams when we wake up?
Some people seems to be able to remember very well the dreams they have.
They seem to be able to remember even after some time the dream they had during the night. I find it pretty amazing since usually i am not able to remember anything.
Not only that, they seems to be able to "control" in some way the dreams they have.

I am very curious in what is the reason for remembering or not dreams. Is it good or bad sign when you don't remember dreams? Or it is not that simple?
Does anyone has a clue?

You may find some answer if you read this;
Why do we dream?
The reason we dream is unknown. However, dreaming is an integral part of sleep and appears to be unavoidable. Scientists have many possible explanations of why we dream. Dreaming, for example, may provide necessary stimulation to the brain from within the brain itself, thereby compensating for the loss of stimulation from the environment that is all-but-eliminated while we lie in bed asleep. Many psychiatrists and psychologists think that dreaming may be a safe and socially acceptable way to fulfill our wishes and desires. Specialists in learning have done experiments showing that dreaming is important for transferring what we have learned during wakefulness from short-term memory to long-term memory thereby allowing us to remember things for years and years. This transfer may be accomplished within brain cells by the manufacture of special protein molecules during dreaming sleep. Other scientists such as the Nobel Laureate, Francis Crick, think that dreaming may activate groups of brain cells in certain combinations and sequences in a way that does not occur during wakefulness and thereby help us remain flexible in our behavior and thought.
 
I can remember parts of my dreams if I wake up right after or during the dream. What was weird was for about a week after my shoulder surgery, I would remember the dreams I had the night before, almost in full detail.
 
big4life said:
I can remember parts of my dreams if I wake up right after or during the dream. What was weird was for about a week after my shoulder surgery, I would remember the dreams I had the night before, almost in full detail.

If you are waking up during the REM moment you will always remember the dream
About five times during the night we change from periods of deep sleep to periods of light sleep. We dream during the period of light sleep which is usually during the early hours of the morning. No one really knows why we dream. Scientist have proved that on an average we dream three to five times during an eight hour sleep. Those people who claim that they do not dream actually don’t remember their dream.

Most dreams are based on the events that happened during the day. Others could be attributed to some deep fears a person might have. Tensions and stress are also causes of bad dreams. In fact all dreams are related to our suppressed fears, emotions, desires and needs.
 
TerraNoble said:

Just found this:

there is another take on dreams:
Why are dreams so strange and silly?
During REM sleep, our body is almost completely paralyzed. The heart and other automatically controlled muscles still function, but our head and limbs really cannot move very much. Also during REM sleep, there is intense stimulation getting to those parts of our brain that interpret what we see, hear and feel. However, this stimulation is coming from within the brain itself. And, the stimulation is occurring at a time when the muscles we use to move about and orient our eyes and ears to stimulation are inoperative. Even under these conditions, our mind does its job and tries to make sense of what it 'sees, hears and feels'. Our mind 'making sense' of stimulation coming from inside the brain, while our muscles are paralyzed, leads to the bizarre experiences we know as dreams. Doctors believe that many common features of dreams stem from the physiological paralysis that occurs during REM sleep. For example, many people dream about falling, being unable to get away from a pursuer or being unable to move fast enough to prevent some accident. All these kinds of dreams have the common feature of movement impairment which may stem from the brain's recognition of paralysis during REM sleep.


That is very interesting, never heard an explanation like that.
It makes sense.
 
big4life said:
What was weird was for about a week after my shoulder surgery, I would remember the dreams I had the night before, almost in full detail.

I know people who are able to do that everytime.
It would be able to know why you were able to do it after surgery and how it was related.
 
Remember dreams is interesting:
Instead of having no ideia about the hours you spend sleeping (and we spend a lot of time of our lives doing it) as some kind of empty time that you can't remember, it is more interesting to be able to remember and like that not feeling it as a "black hole".
Some people i know as the idea of the sleeping like a bridge between one day and the other, not like "empty experience" but like some other part of their lives.
 
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