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Does Oxandrolone work systergenically with glutamine?

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Just a question of interest I'm asking Huck, Fonz, ulter and the other ox fans/gurus:

Well, we all know that oxandrolone increases creatine synthesis and large doses of creatine work systergenically with ox because (as I understand it) oxandrolone allows you to utilize all of that extra creatine through increased synthesis.

Well according to the article originally posted by huck below, it also halts the exit of amino acids from the muscle, so if you were to take large amounts of glutamine, would you recieve a systergenic effect being the glutamine pool would continue to build up to supraphysiological levels causing I assume a very positive effect on protein synthesis/anabolism?

Hope this makes sense....

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Hey fellas,after yesterdays interest,I thought I'd pass along some more interesting info on this nifty little multi-purpose compound.The following is an excerpt taken from a column titled"Bodybuilding Pharmacology"in the May 2000 edition of Ironman magazine,ENJOY.ORAL STEROIDS:EFFECTS ON PROTEIN METABOLISM-While testosterone injections remain the cornerstone of androgen medical therapy,recent studies have focused on the effects of oral anabolics.A popular anabolic in that category is oxandrolone,formerly sold under the trade name Anavar but currently available as Oxandrin.A group of scientists recently gave injections of testosterone enanthate to healthy young men and found that the drug increased net protein synthesis(duh)and reuse of amino acids in muscle.The researchers decided to see if oxandrolone offered similar effects as an oral drug.They gave 15mgs of the drug for five days to healthy young men.They tested muscle protein synthesis and breakdown rates using sophisticated testing procedures and found that muscle protein synthesis rates increased by 44 percent after the subjects used oxandrolone,with zero affect on muscle protein breakdown.In other words,they found an anabolic effect(duh)Muscle protein synthesis increased while muscle protein breakdown didn't.The researchers also found an increase in muscle cell androgenic receptors promoted by oxandrolone.In edition,comparing the effects of testosterone in their previous study with oxandrolone in the newer study showed that oxandrolone exerts a greater anabolic effect on skeletal muscle than testosterone injections.(I'm assuming they're talking about a mg to mg basis here)Another signifigant finding was that oxandrolone prevented the exit of amino acids from muscle cells that normally occurs after an overnight fast.That would be a potent anti-catabolic effect of the drug:helping to maintain muscle cell content of amino acids.When amino acids leave the muscle,catabolic effects dominate.Using oxandrolone led led to a 65 percent increased rate of protein synthesis under fasting conditions.....Gentlemen/ladies,if you can get your hands on this marvelous compound,it should be a regular part of your stacking array,especially when inducing lypolisis for pre-contest preperations.Hope you guys enjoy this interesting little tidbit as much as I did.
 
I agree Huck, I love the stuff....also in your article, it mentions it increases AR receptors...that means basically you will get an increased benefit from other steroids as well because you have more receptor sites correct? Does that also mean that you will not have as significant downregulation when using ox for long periods because the longer you use it the more AR receptors you will grow?
 
Yes.Remember A/R's are nothing more than complex protein themselves that act as hormone carriers/signalers.So basically,the steroid hormones which slow degradation of protein/aminos all have the ability to increase A/R populations.But you're right,such an effect potentiates other androgen molecules,as they now have more 'vehicles' to drive them into the cell nucleus and interact with DNA.
 
That is GREAT!! I'm just about to start my cycle of var but i've been on a bulking cycle for about 1 month now and using 10g creatine and 10g glutamine already. Should i up these when my cycle begins?
 
Cure, I've been using only 20mg of Ox / day whilst cutting on a very low carb diet. My muscles are much fuller and I am very pleased, I am going to use around 35 grams per day while cutting, and probably 15 grams per day for the first few bulking days in the middle of the night w/ protein.
 
can you imagine the possibilites when Ener-G-y comes??????

no I am not just plugging my product I am seriuos
 
...and since we're on the subject, what dosages do you guys run? I'm getting quite a bit of it this week, 12.5 mgs per pill. I'm either going to run 25 or 37.5 mg a day. 25 is safe I know, but is 37.5 too high? Thanks!


EOR
 
Creatine phosphate donates a phosphate molecule to ADP for it to become ATP.

This process is rate limited by Phosphate.

The whole process(simplified):

Adenosine-- + P => Adenosine Phosphate + P => Adenosine Diphosphate(ADP) + P =>Adenosine tri-phosphate(ATP)

Upon depletion of P(During strenuous excercise). the ADP-ATP reaction fails to occurr.

If you add creatine, more P molecules are donated to the ADP-ATP reaction, and therfore more ATP is available for use.

Hence why Creatine is an ergogenic.

IMO, what I think Oxandrolone does is increase the ADP-ATP reaction even further(I do not no the exact means).

Therefore with the creatine donating more phospate molecules to the ADP molecule, in order for it to convert to the ATP molecule, you have a synergisitic effect due to the fact that oxandrolone is also increasing ATP production.
 
EvolutionOfTheRevolution said:
...and since we're on the subject, what dosages do you guys run? I'm getting quite a bit of it this week, 12.5 mgs per pill. I'm either going to run 25 or 37.5 mg a day. 25 is safe I know, but is 37.5 too high? Thanks!


EOR

I don't think 37.5mg ED is too high on its own. I am currently running 200mg Primo ew + 30mg Var ed + 5mg Creatine ed + 3-4 full spoons of GPlenish ed. And I am sure many on these boards would say my cycle is anaemic... So 37.5mg on its own would look also very reasonable if you want to go along with a "prudent" cycle...
 
confid12000 said:
I don't think 37.5mg ED is too high on its own. I am currently running 200mg Primo ew + 30mg Var ed + 5mg Creatine ed + 3-4 full spoons of GPlenish (glutamine peptides) ed. And I am sure many on these boards would say my cycle is anaemic... So 37.5mg on its own would look also very reasonable if you want to go along with a "prudent" cycle...



and??

how is it going :artist:
 
OMEGA said:
and??

how is it going :artist:

I'm only at the end of my first week! So far I am up nearly one pound and my muscles do look fuller, more defined...but it is still too early to tell. I will report in due course!
 
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