Do you think Jesus existed?

[Elite_Fry]

Did Jesus exist? Has Christianity been the victim of a monumental misconception for almost nineteen centuries?
Did Jesus of Nazareth never live? Was the Jesus of the Gospels a later development in Christianity, one whom the earliest faith knew nothing about?


Personally i think not. He performed many miracles and as we all know.. miracles are impossible. he was just a person made up to extend the belief in God.

Interested to hear your opinions.

 

[I2ancid]

he's just made up to scare kids. Like the boogy man or michael jackson

 

[pauly]

yup.

 

[spentagn]

yes.

 

[c-sharp minor]

It's possible Jesus existed.

Though he was probably just a normal person.


He probably pulled a rabbit out of his hat and amazed the gullible masses who figured only the son of God could do magic tricks.

 

[tee]

Yes he did, and still does exist.

 

[NJSerious]

yeah that nigga existed. he was a rapper, but his rhymes were wack yo.

 

[I2ancid]

word

 

[daveyboy]

Yes

 

[ROLGOR]

yes

 

[Kalashnikov]

I think what is more important that whether or not he existed is the matter concerning his ressurection and conception by means unknown to science.

I don't believe any of these "miracles" are possible since they have not happened since his death (except for the occasional mexican spotting the virgin mary in an enchilada).

It's similar to the whole "aliens" thing. If other life forms have actually visited the earth, why dont they visit New York City at about noon where they can be acknknowledged?

 

[Imnotdutch]

It's similar to the whole "aliens" thing. If other life forms have actually visited the earth, why dont they visit New York City at about noon where they can be acknknowledged?

Probably because they are reading every word you type here and they know that you wont give up your AK-47 . Can you imagine the panic and mayhem......and the numbers of US citizens that would be intent upon protecting themselves? If they existed, and if they were smart enough to travel huge distances in space, I'm sure that they could figure out that showing their faces in NYC at noon would be disastrous.

 

[Kalashnikov]

That explanation really doesn't cut it.
If Humans were able to reach another planet with intelligent life, I highly doubt they would simply fly around at night for thousands of years. Occasionally making contact with only the most stupid specimen of the alien race.

 

[Imnotdutch]

That explanation really doesn't cut it.
If Humans were able to reach another planet with intelligent life, I highly doubt they would simply fly around at night for thousands of years. Occasionally making contact with only the most stupid specimen of the alien race.

Humans haven't managed to figure out how to send men to other planets even within our own solar system.......we aren't smart enough. So perhaps a human would not (hypothetically) react in the same way as a species that is smart enough to figure out how to travel long distance sin space and locate other 'intelligent' life-forms.

You also assume a few thousand years is a long time for them. It is a long time to humans because we compare it to our own lifetime. If we lived for a million years it would be nothing to us.....it might even be worth studying a planet for this long in order to collect information (especially seeing as humans are intent upon destroying each other and the entire planet.....hardly an incentive to make contact with the masses). I'm not sure that if you gave me a few thousand years to study humans, that I'd be able to figure them out.

Has it occurred to you that maybe humans would not be considered as 'intelligent' life-forms?

 

[paradox]

Yes he did, and still does exist.

& he will always exist.

 

[Imnotdutch]

& he will always exist.

Prove it......

 

[Warik]

1) Jesus did exist and it's been historically documented. Duh.

2) Kalashnikov, if I were in some authoritative position of a species capable of stellar travel, the last thing I would do is make first contact directly in the line of fire, and I definitely wouldn't even CONSIDER making first contact with a multi-government civilization. Why do you think they always beamed one small away team into the office of the planet's big shot on Star Trek?

NYC would be a warzone in under an hour.

-Warik

 

[flex123]

yeah that nigga existed. he was a rapper, but his rhymes were wack yo.

jackass....

 

[Frackal]

1) Jesus did exist and it's been historically documented. Duh.

2) Kalashnikov, if I were in some authoritative position of a species capable of stellar travel, the last thing I would do is make first contact directly in the line of fire, and I definitely wouldn't even CONSIDER making first contact with a multi-government civilization. Why do you think they always beamed one small away team into the office of the planet's big shot on Star Trek?

NYC would be a warzone in under an hour.

-Warik

I agree. Also if you study the history of UFO sightings/contacts, they increased tremendously shortly after WWII (when we demonstrated we now had nuclear power).....particularly around military bases and radar stations.

 

[the nature boy]

Jesus probably existed, but I think he was a normal man. The tales of his miracles were passed down from generation to generation via word of mouth. Considering the people passing these stories from person to person weren't the most educated people in the world, coupled with propensity for humans to exaggerate stories leads me to beleive that such miracles never happened.

 

[38DoubleDamnGood]

I believe that Jesus did and still does exist! But everyone has the right to there own opinion....

 

[Mysterio]

Yes he does exist!

 

[Travis50]

Yes he did, does and always will.

How about the doubters prove otherwise. That would be interesting.

And while you are proving he doesn't exists, briefly explain where us humans come from again?

 

[the nature boy]

And while you are proving he doesn't exists, briefly explain where us humans come from again?

are you familiar with evolution? or do you really beleive that adam and eve were the first two people on earth and eve came from adams rib? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm asking a serious question.

 

[Travis50]

Not trying to be sarcastic NATURE BOY, but do you really believe all the intelligent life forms on earth came about by a little organism that flourished to be little tadpoles, then monkeys, and then Ronnie Coleman!!! (Not being racist, just thinking of an incredible physique!)

That is some serious scientific knowledge. That it explains it all, maybe I'll rethink my beliefs because that makes so much sense now!!

Be Blessed!

 

[the nature boy]

what's with the sarcasm travis? is religion a topic that can't be discussed like adults? I'm not criticizing your beliefs, I'm just trying to have discussion. Is that wrong?

 

[Travis50]

No sarcasm at all, that is why I said "not to be sarcastic nature boy", as you did asking if I believe Eve came from Adam's rib.

This is probably the most debated topic of all time, I would be very surprised if there was no debate. People should debate this because hopefully people who do not believe, may see the light some day by reading something like this.

I will continue to pray for your salvation as well as the other non-believers.

Be Blessed!

 

[Travis50]

One thing you could help me with though, which I am undecided on....

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

I have to run, have a great day!

Sorry if you took my answer wrong, it's just hard to give a quick response to a complex question like that as I am walking out the door. Have to go to my son's birthday party, take care!

 

[creep]

Yes the "person" Jesus of Nazareth did exist. Whether he was the son of god is another issue.

I personally do not think he is or ever was the son of god and our Saviour.

 

[I2ancid]

Its not even worth trying to talk to all the pro-jesus people because they have been brainwashed literally hundreds of times in churches and they just arent going to give up. your wasting your time trying to bring logic into their heads

 

[Elite_Fry]

Jesus probably existed, but I think he was a normal man. The tales of his miracles were passed down from generation to generation via word of mouth. Considering the people passing these stories from person to person weren't the most educated people in the world, coupled with propensity for humans to exaggerate stories leads me to beleive that such miracles never happened.

yep

 

[buddy28]

yes.

 

[sereneman]

Well shit, all of you other people seem so sure of your answers. But i just don't fucking know. Damn it, I want to know but there is no way to know. For all of you who say "Yes" Jesus existed and he exists today. You can't know that, that is why it is called Faith. You believe it, but you don't know it. You can't know it. Just like Someone can't know if he did not exist, because they weren't there. And you can't know if history books are correct either, because mankind is a liar, that is something that I do know.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Yes he did, does and always will.

How about the doubters prove otherwise. That would be interesting.

And while you are proving he doesn't exists, briefly explain where us humans come from again?

Travis50,

It is pretty much impossible to prove a negative. However, if you are so sure of your opinion, why can't you present supporting evidence? If Jesus still exists you ought to be able to prove it easily.

Also, regarding evolution.....if you don't believe it, why not give your alternative explanation. I'm sure that you are aware that even Creationists are divided when it comes to dealing with scientific knowledge......and it is becoming increasingly the case that Creationists that reject scientific evidence for evolution are being ridiculed and rejected by other Creationists. It is also interesting how Islam is more willing to accept evolution (although this is not yet universal) than Chrisianity.

Sereneman,

I'm with you on this one.
A common mistake made by scientists is to interpret the theory of evolution as evidence against the existence of God (accepting Jesus as part of the Triad; Richard Dawkins who heads a common theory on evolutionary mechanism made this mistake); you cannot believe in a supernatural power and biological evolution, apparently. However, the theory of evolution only shows that organisms can change in response to their changing environment, or in order to occupy a niche. Similarly, many assume that the only Creationist view is that the existing universe was made in under 10,000 years......which is not the case. There is nothing in the two viewpoints that means only one idea is correct.

What we need is for people to stop accepting the word of others when it comes to these issues, and to look at the evidence for themselves. Hopefully they will find that the Theory of Evolution is not as clearly defined as the majority think (resulting in a particularly heated debate between supporters of Richard Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould). Also, they will find that the scriptures that apparently say something particular, are actually open to interpretation.


Ok I'm done now.......sorry about the long, tedious post. Had to get that out of my system!!

 

[Elite_Fry]

hehehe!

 

[havoc]

Did not read any replies, but here is the bottom line on this question of "Did Jesus exist".
Jesus, whether fictional or real is by far the most perfect man ever written about in respects to His actions, reactions and total RESPECT He had for others, He was a man truly in touch with everything, an enlightened being if you will. His presence here on Earth is to set the perfect example.
There are thousands and thousands of documented writings on the existence of Jesus.
The Jesus you hear of today and when you were growing up is insulting to a degree, Jesus is made up to be a cartoon character and exploited for the wrong purposes, the beautiful points and relevant facts about Jesus are not focused upon, irrelevant stuff is emphasized. Jesus was a man who UNDERSTOOD life and the Creator, they are one in the same. peace

 

[mylife]

Yes he did, does and always will.

How about the doubters prove otherwise. That would be interesting.

And while you are proving he doesn't exists, briefly explain where us humans come from again?

Can you prove He did exist?

Where did He come from?

I'm not trying to discourage you or make you think otherwise, just pointing out the fact that it's more likely to be proven he didn't exist than he did.

Think about what the Bible is. It's a book of stories written, edited, language converted (for lack of a better word), and passed down for thousands of years.

Just think how far fetched a rumor could get over that time period.

Anywho, I think it's interesting most Christians were raised to be Christian. If it's not that then they become one because they are marrying a Christian.

If your parents were atheists and raised you that way, you'r probably scoff at the idea of Christianity, or any other world religion for that matter.

What makes Christianity better than Hinduism and other religions? Most likely because you were raised to believe in it. (I'm assuming Christianity as your religion since most are)


I can't remember what it was called but you should all read it. I'm just taking a stab in the dark here in hopes of someone else correcting me but I think it was called Ochman's Razor? Fuck that's probably way off but if anyone can find out what it really was, read it thoroughly and keep an open mind.

 

[havoc]

Can you prove He did exist?

Where did He come from?

I'm not trying to discourage you or make you think otherwise, just pointing out the fact that it's more likely to be proven he didn't exist than he did.

Think about what the Bible is. It's a book of stories written, edited, language converted (for lack of a better word), and passed down for thousands of years.

Just think how far fetched a rumor could get over that time period.

Anywho, I think it's interesting most Christians were raised to be Christian. If it's not that then they become one because they are marrying a Christian.

If your parents were atheists and raised you that way, you'r probably scoff at the idea of Christianity, or any other world religion for that matter.

What makes Christianity better than Hinduism and other religions? Most likely because you were raised to believe in it. (I'm assuming Christianity as your religion since most are)


I can't remember what it was called but you should all read it. I'm just taking a stab in the dark here in hopes of someone else correcting me but I think it was called Ochman's Razor? Fuck that's probably way off but if anyone can find out what it really was, read it thoroughly and keep an open mind.

You've been watching "Contact" huh?

 

[mylife]

You've been watching "Contact" huh?

I've never heard of it. What is it?

I may come off as trying to discourage religion, faith, etc. but I'm not. I'm not big on arguing over religion since it's all personal preference within your own reasoning. I do think people should be presented multiple theories rather than having one drilled in their head from day one. But, in my opinion whether or not there is a higher being, it won't matter how many times you went to church, how much you put in the collection basket, how often you prayed, but how you lived your life, treated others, and used what potential you have to the fullest. As long as I accomplish that, I gots no worries.

 

[HappyScrappy]

that is less the point of Contact than some of the other Sagan books - but yeah, it is along the lines of what a lot of his stuff says.

 

[Bodhidogma]

I may come off as trying to discourage religion, faith, etc. but I'm not. I'm not big on arguing over religion since it's all personal preference within your own reasoning. I do think people should be presented multiple theories rather than having one drilled in their head from day one. But, in my opinion whether or not there is a higher being, it won't matter how many times you went to church, how much you put in the collection basket, how often you prayed, but how you lived your life, treated others, and used what potential you have to the fullest. As long as I accomplish that, I gots no worries.

bingo.

 

[JarHed]

THIS THREAD ROCKS!

 

[finabomber]

& he will always exist.

WELL SAID bros

FB

 

[bodytemple75]

Religion...

I personally find religion kind of scary. I am Italian, Roman Catholic, my whole family believes, I was even an altar boy when attending Sunday school when a tike... but Sorry to all you Bro's who believe...no offense, I just don't take it seriously enough, not credible, I do not believe, have never believed. Unless this Jesus entity/God comes down from the sky one night while I'm drinking a Carbo drink, it's not going to happen. Not going to believe. I sadly believe that religion/it was just a "creation" of an explanation of "Where we came from" when the world was new, and the peoples of the world needed hope, guidence. Now that we are advanced and have the luxury of technology/are more accurate on knowledge of things today in our world, religion is dying. It's just an old way about things, and now we have evolved... I believe that we should be good to oneanother, and love our families/friends, but this has nothing to do with any religion, as I do not believe in that. I would have to say that I personally think that our world would have been better without religion, for all that is has done we could have done without. Also, if there had/was/is a being that was responsible ( I seriously doubt, *my opinion...) I would think twice about it's motives, and I'm sure I am not the only person that would not be "overjoyed" to meet this being after all the unnecessary things that has caused so many in this world greif and suffering for no apparent reason/doings of their own. I for one am not against religion, but I am not for it either. I believe what makes you feel good do, but it's just not for me guys...



Interesting Question(s);

Why every time something good happens,... someone highly religious, Example:
(usually grandmother/aunt, ect...) attributes this and gives credit to "God/Jesus" rather giving credit to the persons/person truly responsible? I find this disturbing, and somewhat amusing at times. But alas, when a tragedy strikes, usually "God/Jesus's" names stay out of the conversation...

This is interesting....


I find guys I will never believe,... but I am a good person, and feel to be good to others, but make no mistake.... I respect all you guys who choose to believe and not. We all are on this planet together, and should all do what makes us happy and live our lives to the fullest while getting along.