Do you support this kind of discrimination?

[chillin408]

Just wondering....

How many support giving the right to airlines to do tighter security checks on people of Middle Eastern or Arab decent, and also people who "look like terrorists"?

If you support this, do you also support giving private sectors the right to discriminate against other minorities or "people who look like thieves"?

Also, Since the gov't is involved in airport security and justifies(or at least has no problem with) racial profiling toward middle eastern and Arabs..Should gov't also justify police officers racial profiling towards blacks?

 

[smallmovesal]

well since my backpack got rifled through at the airport and i look pretty innocent i don't know that they're only targeting arabs and people who look shifty.

 

[danielson]

as soon as they say they wanna racially profile blacks watch how fast jesse and co denounce racial profiling

what form is this profiling gonna take? a background check? some may consent to that. a check into the country of origin and then a more in depth check. more may consent to that too

strip searching/frisking on every flight? unnacceptable. youd have top do it for every man woman and child. lets not forget that they got the weapons on board due to lapses in security measures already in place.

also dumbass's that work their will probably not be ble to tell the difference between a jew, a sikh, an indian etc.....is this gonna degenrate into lets harass as many non-whites as possible?

as for frisking, bag searching etc based on skin colour.....that already happens.

 

[smallmovesal]

yeah i forsee disaster

 

[theoak01]

this is a complex situation,normally racial profileing is retarded but in the case i dont see a problem with it,do you really want even the slightest possibility of a terroist getting control of another plane? i think not,if they just out of the blue decided to do it i would not support it but i feel there is good reason this time

 

[danielson]

to be honest theres a cleargroup that seemsto always do this shit

age group is always about the same, religion usually is, they could lie about it but the country of origin is a big give away.

but if they start compulsuary frisking in airports based on skin colour it would make my stomach turn.....imagine a pregnant woman being frisked, a young girl.....being frisked totally sucks as every inch of your body wants to block the guys hand and put your fingers right into his throat but you have to submit to it. that kind of treatment shouldnt be compulsuary and i think there should be some sort of legislation in place to stop that treatment

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I think the private sector should be permitted to discriminate any old way they want to. Hence the term "private sector".

Since airlines are private....well you know how I feel.

Profiling by law enforcement - it doesn;t matter what the law is. it will always happen and never stop. It's a really big deal in the media, but it is human nature.

If I attacked by blackie, it is natural for me to be a little wary the next time another blackie comes walking by. Law enforcement is people. Why don;t we get off their backs unless they really fuck up?

 

[JohnyJuice]

MattTheSkywalker is my hero of the day. Well said.

 

[Mandinka]

Definitely agree with Matt ,
TThe private sector is about profit and conducting business - it is blind and does not see colour,race etc., therefore arguments saying - you're picking me out cos I'm black are invalid . The truth of the matter is that you're bein picked out because there is a higher incidence of (substitute problem) amongst people who closely resemble you. No one gives out about insurance companies charging higher rates to young male drivers - becasue that is the data from which the rates are derived.

 

[Lao Tzu]

all 19 were arabian looking. but all 19 were males too.

personally, i still think they should put a few security guards on the plane who have training in non-lethal weapons. i'd prefer that over lack of privacy.

 

[KA-BAR]

Im with Matt also.

 

[MP5]

So who is the airlines supposed to check out, people that don't look suspicious?!

When I came back from Mexico I was the only one out of a group of 20 that had to have all their shit checked by customs. I assume they were looking for roids since I fit the "profile" and I was not upset or offended. I was rather nervous though since I had $400 dollars worth of gear taped to my legs and crotch.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I think the private sector should be permitted to discriminate any old way they want to. Hence the term "private sector".

Since airlines are private....well you know how I feel.

Profiling by law enforcement - it doesn;t matter what the law is. it will always happen and never stop. It's a really big deal in the media, but it is human nature.

If I attacked by blackie, it is natural for me to be a little wary the next time another blackie comes walking by. Law enforcement is people. Why don;t we get off their backs unless they really fuck up?

define private. microsoft is private, but unless you want to use sun or linux you don't have much of a choice.

how do you feel about intellectual monopolies in regards to discrimination. psychologists have proven that humans adapt to certain stimuli and come to expect it (that is why products have logos they put everywhere. to make us adapt to them). this creates an intellectual addiction where we feel that an extra $1-1000 is more important than going without 'name brand' products (coke over store bought cola, microsoft over linux, etc). how does that factor into private enterprise (which is based on the opinion that we should be free to choose what product we want to buy).

don't be abusive or condescending in reply if that is your plan. i prefer intelligent discussions where information exchange is the goal, not winning. i'm pretty sure that that is not what you are going to do, i am just saying.

 

[the nature boy]

What's wrong with racial profiling. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. I have friends that are middle eastern and they don't care if they are profiled or have to have all their shit checked out when getting on a plane.

 

[rushx79]

define private. microsoft is private, but unless you want to use sun or linux you don't have much of a choice.

how do you feel about intellectual monopolies in regards to discrimination. psychologists have proven that humans adapt to certain stimuli and come to expect it (that is why products have logos they put everywhere. to make us adapt to them). this creates an intellectual addiction where we feel that an extra $1-1000 is more important than going without 'name brand' products (coke over store bought cola, microsoft over linux, etc). how does that factor into private enterprise (which is based on the opinion that we should be free to choose what product we want to buy).

don't be abusive or condescending in reply if that is your plan. i prefer intelligent discussions where information exchange is the goal, not winning. i'm pretty sure that that is not what you are going to do, i am just saying.

no one is putting a gun to your head and making you buy coke or microsoft, thats how youre free to choose.

 

[Lao Tzu]

no one is putting a gun to your head and making you buy coke or microsoft, thats how youre free to choose.

exactly. but even if someone says 'buy coke or i'll beat the shit out of you' that is a trade off. being beaten is (for example) negative 10 points, the loss of dignity & loss of 40 cents is negative 6 points. so people take the path of less resistance.

anyway, people will buy a 2.49 bottle of heinz ketchup before they buy a 1.69 bottle of kroger katchup because of addiction to routine/advertisement saturation. so the negative(s) they earn from spending an extra dollar aren't as negative as the negative they get when they go through 'routine withdrawl' and choose a non name brand product. in that light, the free market isn't 100% free.

i know it isn't 'that' big a deal, and as long as not all mainstream airports do that free will will still exist. but the negative(s) (for lack of a better description) people gain from having their privacy violated probably aren't as numerous (for many people) as the negatives they gain from using a non-name brand airline.

 

[Taps]

I don't see the point of profiling. I'm sure there are some blond haired, blue eyed psychos out there who'd be more than happy to blow up a plane.

I think airport security sould search _everyone_. Riffle through peoples bags, pat 'em down...hell, x-ray 'em if necessary. If a security guy has to wave a metal detector over me and grab my balls to ensure I'm not carrying a bomb, so be it.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I don't see the point of profiling. I'm sure there are some blond haired, blue eyed psychos out there who'd be more than happy to blow up a plane.

I think airport security sould search _everyone_. Riffle through peoples bags, pat 'em down...hell, x-ray 'em if necessary. If a security guy has to wave a metal detector over me and grab my balls to ensure I'm not carrying a bomb, so be it.

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut of the 19 hijackers, how many were blond haired & blue eyed?

 

[Frackal]

When I came back from Mexico I was the only one out of a group of 20 that had to have all their shit checked by customs. I assume they were looking for roids since I fit the "profile" and I was not upset or offended. I was rather nervous though since I had $400 dollars worth of gear taped to my legs and crotch.

bwahahahaha

 

[vatech15]

There are two simple ways to prevent the type of hijackings that we saw on 9/11:

1) Secure cockpits. The pilots get on the plane first and are locked in. Steel reinforced doors. None of this cardboard shit. They do not leave the cockpit during flight for any reason.
2) Air marshalls armed to the teeth on every flight. They can be obvious or undercover. It really doesn't matter.

You know why these will probably never happen? Money. It will cost the airlines too much and they will say that they have lost too much money already because of all this.

Terrorists should not be able to take over a plane with boxcutters and mace. It's that simple.

Those "simple ways" are quite good in theory, but in the real world, suppose a hijacker grabs a stewardess and holds a fiberglass knife he snuck onboard against her neck and says, "Open the door, or she dies..." If the door is not opened, passengers will be killed one by one until the door opens.

Air marshalls armed to the teeth will only make the job for a highly skilled hijacker easier. A little inside intelligence on where he/she sits could enable an ambush, and the weapons can now be used by the hijacker. Plus, I'm not sure what happens to cabin pressure and such if bullets break out a few windows in the plane.

What I'm saying is there are no easy solutions. Only solutions that will make you feel better. Whatever safeguards you put in place won't stop a person willing to die for his/her cause.

 

[bigguns7]

Profiling should be used for every situation

Yes, profiling should be used in this case, and also with whites, blacks, etc.

What some people call profiling, I call good techniques of investigation. If it is reported that a black male, 6 feet tall, weighing 200 lbs. held up a convenience store and shot the clerk, then it is simply good detective work to stop and question every black male in that area who is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. If that's profiling, then so be it. Should the cops stop and question an equal amount white and asian men in the name of equality and fairness?

If you saw your wife killed by two white men, and you reported this to the police, and then walked into the station and saw the police interviewing two black men about your wife's death, would you be pissed? They should only look for white men when investigating this murder. THAT IS PROFILING.

 

[manny78]

This isn't discrimination it just makes sense. Most of the problems are coming from Middle East people so lets have an eye on them.....