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Do you believe in Ghosts or Aliens?

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Sometimes people ask me this shit.

I personally dont/wont believe in ghosts until I see one with my own eyes.

As for aliens, anyone with half a brain knows that the mere theory of probability says that chances are, out of 100,000 galaxies, each with thousands of stars, many of which have planets around them, there has to be some life elsewhere. This doesnt mean I think aliens have ever been to Earth, though.

One thing you could immediately assume if, in fact, aliens ever came to Earth, would be that they would HAVE to be smarter than us, because they'd have mastered very very high speed travel for ballin around the universe.
 
BeefyBull said:
ballin around the universe.
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LMAO.

I dont beleive in ghosts. Nor Heaven or hell for that matter.

I do believe in aliens, but dont believe that they have ever visited earth.
 
Don't know that I believe in 'ghosts' per se',but there is definitely SOMETHING that exists after we exit our shells.Einstein touched on this.Our brain and CNS are driven by electrical impulses,a form of energy.According to Einstein,energy can neither be created or destroyed,only converted from one form to another.When we die,our physical bodies decompose and become one with their surroundings in the form of organic energy.But what happens to the ELECTRICAL energy that composed our thought processes/movements?Perhaps it converts to ELECTROMAGNETIC energy,and lives in a free,unbound state.Most spiritually active locations seem to support this theory,as electromagnetic readings usually go off the charts at paranormally active locations.

As far as aliens,I think it would be highly foolish to think in the billions upon trillions of galaxies out there that we are the only life-form sustaining planet.
 
I'm a firm believer that *anything* is possible. Mostly because all things quantum interest me.
 
I think it is the very defintion of EGOCENTRIC to think that "we" are the only intelligent beings in this universe
 
I think it is really funny that people think aliens will look anything like us. it amuses me on the same level that a God being in our shape does.

I've seen very good explanations either way strictly from the point of probability as to whether there is life out there or not.
and either way, I don't worry about it too much.
there is a lot of distance going on there.
 
I think there is a good chance that there is life outside of Earth. I don't think we have ever been visited though.

I don't believe in ghosts, or an afterlife though.
 
it is more egocentric to consider ourselves intelligent and then to base the test of intelligence of any life form found against us.
I have no doubt in my mind that *somewhere* out *there* is some bacteria or something.
which wouldn't fall into the definition of "intelligent" in our minds.

but intelligence is all relevant, so it would depend on how you look at it.

either way, we have plenty of time.
 
I believe whole heartedly in other life forms (Aliens). There is factual proof dating back to the Sumerians (10,000 to 50,000) years ago.

The Sumerians said that they were visited by "gods" etc and had chronicled all of the events and the wisdom that they passed. They detailed descriptions of our entire Solar System, however, it was told from the outside in. They gave details of how Earth came to be, what the asteroid belt is, and so much detail about each and every planet including Pluto.

There is WAY to much space out there for us to think that we are all there is. Thats just silly.
 
the sumerians belieeved that the grey aliens the ones that are commonly seen were slaves to the enonochian aliens which looked like us except they all had blond hair and blue eyes.
 
the Sumerians believed in a series of Gods that were in human form - and those Gods had a caste system - the lowest level of them were the ones that did all the work/labor.
The low level Gods were sick of that and decided to make humans out of clay, and the humans were then made to do the work for the Gods.

There are a group of people that translate the writings of the Sumerians (who were better at math than they were at writing, much of it is not known or understood today - so there are many mistranslations), and they find the alien theory in there, but it is open to interpretation of course.
 
I have spoken to my father and some other friends that work in the genomics field and I personally don't agree with that group of people that think the "Dead" area of our DNA is resultant in that, but hey - to each our own.
 
so i really butchered the spelling LOL... my room mate has a book on the samerians and i need to read it just because... anyone ever listen to art bell? :alien:
 
Alien's- well the grey's at least have been stealing unborn fetus' since the 70's. So...you know they are doing some kind of cross breeding for whatever reason. I still think they are some dolphin decended creatures- look how they communicate with telepathy or some sort of sonor. Give whales another million years and see what they do with their huge brains. Crop circles are still unexplained as well. It makes me feel better to know that we are not the only creatures with intelligent life out there cause if we were that would be pretty sad since all we do in the end is kill each other. I am big into reading about aliens and I read several cases of abductions where the abductee asked the aliens about "God". Apparently their response was one of almost laughter- they say that a "God" exists but not how humans imagine it to be. Food for thought. Think of how immense the universe is, think of the reality of it. It is simply impossible for their not to be other intelligent life. :alien: What do you suppose the aliens think about people wearing alien shirts and whatnot- imagine going to another planet and everyone has shirts with pictures of human astronauts on them. Pretty weird.:alien:

As for ghosts, not too concerned with them, I figure they are people that dont realize they are dead. I have felt ghosts before. Haven't you ever had a chill that crept up your spine like something really cold just walked through you? I think the body reacts that way towards a ghost because the ghost is dead and your alive body is fighting for life so it makes you feel that chill. My parents had an exorcist come to our house and get rid of a ghost that had been throwing books around my room. I was 9 or 10 at the time. I remember felling that ghost quite often, it was pretty scarry. Never really thought much about it after that.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:


As far as aliens,I think it would be highly foolish to think in the billions upon trillions of galaxies out there that we are the only life-form sustaining planet.
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You can dismiss 99.99999% of the (known) universe as uninhabitable to carbon based life forms.

Within each galaxy there is a narrow band of space where (carbon based) life - sustaining planets could exist. This is due to the metallic content of the planets (measurable by distance from the center of the galaxy, among others) .

The metallic content of the planet itself is an indicator of whether the atmosphere can sustain what we understand as life. (CArbon based oxygen breathing life forms can't exist on Jupiter, for example).

That said,

Life can take any form, like a methane breathing gas creature on Pluto. So do we even really know what we aer looking for?


Ghosts? Yep.
 
Well how about the Dogon, who are a people in west Africa. In the late 19th Century some English guy recorded their beliefs which revolve around worshipping dolphin-like beings from the star Sirius who had apparently visited them in Space ships. They know a lot about Sirius and drew detailed maps of it in the 19th Century which contained a dwarf sister star, the existence of which was unknown to Astronomy until the invention of the radio telescope in the 1970's.

I thought that was cool but I can't say I really believe in ghosts or aliens myself, I just keep an open mind is all.
 
casavant said:



Strange answer, coming from one such as yourself. Please expound.
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Expounding:

I believe ghosts exist. Not like spooky Scooby Doo ghosts, and I am not sure there is even a life after death. But there is a supernatural.

By analogy:

The Universe is a 360 degree movie. There is no beginning and no end. The universe always existed, and always will. It has no beginning, and no end.

We are alive for a tiny little time slice of it - maybe 80 years - so short that it seems like flat screen. All we see is our timeslice, whatever the length. There are beings that see more of it - soem people argue that God sees the whole thing. I'm not going there.

There are beings that transcend time. These are ghosts. This allows them greater understanding of what we do, for they know how it fits into the larger picture of existence. They occasionally cross into our temporal plane; as yet, we have not figured a way into their realm.
 
Thanks. Interesting thoughts. I don't know where I stand on ghosts or aliens, but I suppose anything is possible. It's neat stuff to ponder occasionally.
 
HappyScrappy said:
that would be the "Invisible Dragon in my Garage Theorem"
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That's what you call it nowadays? :)

There's just too much we don't know. Even if there were a Big explosion (Bang) 15 billion years ago, something came before that, just by defintion of "before".

That dragon is not invisible, just obscured by day to day concerns of our little timeslices of life.
 
I was just referencing Sagan.

I agree that there are many ways to look at it, and all of our life experiences will push our own decisions one way or the other.

but in the end... I'm right :)
 
MattTheSkywalker said:

There's just too much we don't know. Even if there were a Big explosion (Bang) 15 billion years ago, something came before that, just by defintion of "before".
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Exactly. And they say that the universe's expansion is slowing down, which may indicate a contraction, and ultimate reversal of the big bang.. the big crunch so to speak.
This could mean that prior to the bang, there were multiple universes like to this one
 
what about those creatures in the Mothman prophesies. From what I understand the movie was based on "actual" events.
 
aliens i dont know,its possible

but i have had several accounts with ghost

the first i was 8 staying at my cousins house and woke up with a young women sitting at the foot of the bed singing, i didnt freak out as it actually was soothing

second was at my house where something i didnt stay around long enough was standing over me breathing heavy

the third was at my friends house that is 120 yrs old and his family and a german man were the only owners,well his grandfather was a drinker and would goto bars till closing time then would goto the bar in his basement,well the bar is still there and one night the bar went nuts,glasses moving smelling booze and something that i believe to be him walked around my head for about 10 minutes

and i get feelings in many places of energy or a greater being around me,i love it
 
Aliens? yep and think they are here with an AGENDA.
Ghosts? Most Definitely IMO. I have numerous Ghost Stories and have seen lots of weird stuff in my life. Especially when I was a kid messing around late at night in cemeteries and Ouija boards old school houses ect.......I used to go to catholic school and I remember father telling us that exorcisms are not that uncommon either. I guess I believe in everything paranormal. Even them chupacabra things. This Subject really interest me.
 
Ghosts, possibly.

Aliens, most probably.

And, Matt, if I were to meet an alien, I would address (they) as, homeslice.
 
Bullit said:


Exactly. And they say that the universe's expansion is slowing down, which may indicate a contraction, and ultimate reversal of the big bang.. the big crunch so to speak.
This could mean that prior to the bang, there were multiple universes like to this one
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Although I do believe in the big band the latest research shows that the universe's expansion is speeding up and not slowing down.
 
I am very skeptical when it comes to alien reports etc, but I'm sure something is out there. As for ghosts, absofuckinglutely, there are many varying types of course. I am not so sure on the explanation of "Place Memory" though, that sounds hokey.
 
Doktor Bollix said:
Well how about the Dogon, who are a people in west Africa. In the late 19th Century some English guy recorded their beliefs which revolve around worshipping dolphin-like beings from the star Sirius who had apparently visited them in Space ships. They know a lot about Sirius and drew detailed maps of it in the 19th Century which contained a dwarf sister star, the existence of which was unknown to Astronomy until the invention of the radio telescope in the 1970's.
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Some people believe that there are ties to aliens and the Aztecs as well, even as to suggest "underground garages" for space ships under the pyramids of thiers, hmm.
 
The electrical impulses are just ions moving under the influence of ion pumps. The ion pumps require an energy input to move the ions. This is usually chemical energy. If the ion pumps no longer work then the ions no longer produce electrical impulses. I see no reason why these ions have to be separated from the rest of the body when it comes to saying what has to exist once we die. They are not special.

Also, people say they see ghosts. Wouldnt that require that some form of energy be converted to light? So that energy is effectively lost by the ghost. Eventually the ghost would run out of energy and 'die'.

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Don't know that I believe in 'ghosts' per se',but there is definitely SOMETHING that exists after we exit our shells.Einstein touched on this.Our brain and CNS are driven by electrical impulses,a form of energy.According to Einstein,energy can neither be created or destroyed,only converted from one form to another.When we die,our physical bodies decompose and become one with their surroundings in the form of organic energy.But what happens to the ELECTRICAL energy that composed our thought processes/movements?Perhaps it converts to ELECTROMAGNETIC energy,and lives in a free,unbound state.Most spiritually active locations seem to support this theory,as electromagnetic readings usually go off the charts at paranormally active locations.

As far as aliens,I think it would be highly foolish to think in the billions upon trillions of galaxies out there that we are the only life-form sustaining planet.
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Imnotdutch said:

Also, people say they see ghosts. Wouldnt that require that some form of energy be converted to light? So that energy is effectively lost by the ghost. Eventually the ghost would run out of energy and 'die'.

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That sounds like your implying they are carrying magical battery packs that never die, only get used up. When people carry batteries to a site etc, they are often drained in the middle of activity etc etc
 
There is a story of a grey or white lady (I forget) in some old Prussian castle, that supposedly has been seen for the last 800 or so years, and is fading to some extent, eventually supposedly they are only heard, yada yada. It all varys (as far as the storys go, and how long they stick around, what thier activity is like, etc)
 
Imnotdutch said:
The electrical impulses are just ions moving under the influence of ion pumps. The ion pumps require an energy input to move the ions. This is usually chemical energy. If the ion pumps no longer work then the ions no longer produce electrical impulses. I see no reason why these ions have to be separated from the rest of the body when it comes to saying what has to exist once we die. They are not special.

Also, people say they see ghosts. Wouldnt that require that some form of energy be converted to light? So that energy is effectively lost by the ghost. Eventually the ghost would run out of energy and 'die'.

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Good input,which leads to another speculation:VORTEXES.Vortexes are speculated 'dimensional doorways' that allow spirit/energy to move in and out of our reality/perception,and seemingly 'recharge' the energy of the spirit.Again,not fact,speculation...but evidence suggests that it is real and does exist.
 
Yes, activity levels and spiritual vortexes are big around houses where there are 2 sets of powerlines crossing together, creating high electro magnetic fields (great for causing cancer), and so on.
 
Dr.M said:


That sounds like your implying they are carrying magical battery packs that never die, only get used up. When people carry batteries to a site etc, they are often drained in the middle of activity etc etc
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Let me clarify.......some of the energy that is making up a ghost (if they exist) must be converted to light if we are to see it. The light is moving away from the ghost so it cannot remain with the ghost......it is transferred to the rest of the world. If this were to happen, all of the energy that made up the ghost would eventually end up in the rest of the world (anything but the ghost) and the ghost would no longer exist. Your following post seems to provide evidence for that.

Interesting comment about vortexes. When you say vortex do you mean man-made vortexes (for example as Dr. M described)? If not, that would mean that there would be a constant energy input to the Earth as energy is transferred to the planet, via ghosts, from vortexes. So ghosts could be responsible for global warming :) If they are man-made, it begs the question of whether ghosts could exist before man made contraptions that happen to make vortices.

Just a quick point about speculation......many things are speculated by many people every day. Without strong support most people would dismiss speculations. When you say there is evidence for the ideas you put forward, howe much evidence are we talking about and how closely has it been scrutinised? (of course the topic makes it unlikely that anybody has looked at it closely).
 
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