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Do We Need Government?

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"Should government provide law enforcement? Most would argue that government is absolutely necessary for law enforcement. Prof. Edward Stringhman, however, argues that government may not even be necessary at all.

To come to this conclusion, Prof. Stringham asks a few important questions. First, if something is really important, does it logically follow that government should provide it? Second, are markets capable of providing law enforcement and security in the modern world? Third, how are disputes currently settled between people of different countries?

Looking at the first question, it doesn't seem to be the case that important things must be provided by a government. For instance, think about food. Food is necessary for life, and yet, markets do an excellent job of providing food to consumers.

Even if you're convinced that markets can provide important things, you may think law enforcement and security are a special case that markets are incapable of providing in a modern world. However, markets already enforce private rules and provide security. Disney World, Las Vegas, and malls all have private rules that are enforced by private security.

Accepting the arguments above, you may still be skeptical about market's abilities to settle disputes between different systems of rules or law. This, in fact, was Ayn Rand's primary reason for advocating a minimal state. Current interactions in the real world provide examples as to how markets resolve these disputes. Think about an international soccer game or international trade. In both instances, individuals are interacting across state boundaries, and are only subject to the jurisdiction of their own territory. In these situations, these individuals contract with the arbiters such as a soccer league or a private court to resolve disputes."
 
But who provides the funds for the private law enforcement or security for the poor areas?

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And the rich areas...well the super rich would expect special treatment because they would be able to buy the enforcers.

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But who provides the funds for the private law enforcement or security for the poor areas?

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He answers that in the Q&A portion.

If you live in an apartment building it would be provided by the landlord which is paid for from tenant rent. A poor community could pool their resources for the level of security they require.

For example, A poor community may pay for protection from violent crime. A wealthy community might pay a surcharge for protection from "moral crime," no prostitution. Regardless, it would be better than our current system.

Civil forfeiture...


How much would you be willing to pay to keep your neighbor from smoking pot?
 
No disrespect but your nuts...really the poor would pay for the level of protection they can afford??? I am conservative and don't like all the hand outs we have now but those in the projects deserve better than that. If we left it to them 13yr old girls would be raped and the old robbed for their social security. Although the federal government with obama are overstepping their bounds....there is truely a place for some services from the government.

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Lets take your argument of how much would I be willing to pay to stop my neighbor from smoking door. So with that argument I could choose a neighborhood or community that either chose to accept drug use or not. So following that logic a group of child molesters could create. A community where it was safe and acceptable to molest small children. Sorry but there is now logical way you can defend this position.

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No disrespect but your nuts...really the poor would pay for the level of protection they can afford??? I am conservative and don't like all the hand outs we have now but those in the projects deserve better than that. If we left it to them 13yr old girls would be raped and the old robbed for their social security. Although the federal government with obama are overstepping their bounds....there is truely a place for some services from the government.

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If you watch the vid he illustrates a case where welfare recipients raised a civil watch in their housing project, not armed. The government shut it down because they deemed it illegal, they needed to rely on 10 minute plus response time government employees. Two men walking the grounds of a housing project will do more to deter crime than hiring two cops that sit around waiting for a 911 call.
 
Only if those 2 men want to or choose to do what's right. If they don't there is no consequence if they don't. At least with a police presence they have a chain of command and the general public to answer to. You know how silly this proposal is. I would not want to live where money and private law enforcement dictates our society. What about the child molester scenario? In your world it could exist because without government to say it was wrong they could do it.

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Lets take your argument of how much would I be willing to pay to stop my neighbor from smoking door. So with that argument I could choose a neighborhood or community that either chose to accept drug use or not. So following that logic a group of child molesters could create. A community where it was safe and acceptable to molest small children. Sorry but there is now logical way you can defend this position.

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First, these communities already exist and the government doesn't prevent them. Regardless, the government doesn't stop child abuse or even pretend to deal with preventing it, they deal with it after the fact.

Secondly, in a free society someone would need to insure the private company providing them protection. Nobody would insure someone against child molestation when they establish a community of child molesters. Frankly, they would be shunned and nobody would deal with them unlike the Catholic Church which still has a following. Hell, Bill O'Reilly forgave the pope for covering up the rape of disabled children but still goes after judges that don't punish child molesters in accordance to the law he promotes.

I would love to know if the teacher at my kids school lived in the gated community of child molesters.
 
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Please tell me where in America a child molesting community exist openly and is allowed. Once again I like you but get real. Don't make statements that aren't true. Also please list these communities so that I can personally report them.

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Only if those 2 men want to or choose to do what's right. If they don't there is no consequence if they don't. At least with a police presence they have a chain of command and the general public to answer to. You know how silly this proposal is. I would not want to live where money and private law enforcement dictates our society. What about the child molester scenario? In your world it could exist because without government to say it was wrong they could do it.

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The police don't answer to the public.

The people dictate society with private law enforcement because they pay their salaries. I'll take two men willing to volunteer their time unarmed to help their community over two cops paid 60+k a year with a license to kill and live on the other side of town.
 
Please tell me where in America a child molesting community exist openly and is allowed. Once again I like you but get real. Don't make statements that aren't true. Also please list these communities so that I can personally report them.

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Wacko..it was about guns and not the kids...

Yearning for Zion compound in Texas

took me ten seconds off my head.
 
That compound did not exist with gorvernment approval. Your theory is that communities can police themselves without government oversite. I am merely stating that we need some government. So once again please tell me about the child molesting communities that are already operating openly in the United States of America that you speak of.

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That compound did not exist with gorvernment approval. Your theory is that communities can police themselves without government oversite. I am merely stating that we need some government. So once again please tell me about the child molesting communities that are already operating openly in the United States of America that you speak of.

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Which compound?

You just haven't heard about them yet....I posted the history off the top of my head.
 
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