Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I did a search on this but found nothing. I have heard that after several deca or test cycles that the body's ability to produce testosterone diminishes so that while off the gear, your natural test level is lower than it would have been if you had not used the deca or test to begin with. How true is this?
Do steroids cause permanent loss of test level?
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Yes it can but it is not likely if you do time on = time off and use clomid and even a little H C G from time to time.... and do cycle that are no longer than 10 weeks.
Deca have been known to inhibit for a longer time and it has nothing to do with the long acting deconate ester. This is a fact that many vets can agree on. Also both Bill Roberts and Bill Llewllyn have studies to prove it!
Deca have been known to inhibit for a longer time and it has nothing to do with the long acting deconate ester. This is a fact that many vets can agree on. Also both Bill Roberts and Bill Llewllyn have studies to prove it!
I have HCG and and more than enough deca for 10 weeks. I was hoping to be able to do a 10 week deca anavar cycle (for cutting) and then do a heavy clomid cycle for about 3 or 4 weeks. If I did this and used HCG during the cycle to keep ball size, I was hoping my test levels would normalize again in about 10 weeks after cycle. Also I want my test level to be the same as it is now. If I continued excersise post cycle, and perhaps took large doses of Sib gensing, tribulus and ZMA, do you think this would be possible?Realgains said:
liquidmuscle
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i did a cycle last spring and it took me nearly 4 months til i had any sex drive, plus i didnt see any gains cuz obviously my levels were so low, that was a 12wk cycle now i do only 6 or 8wks and thats it
Heavy Weight Champ
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Yes it can. I have 2 members on my boards that have permanent lowered levels and one of them now uses hormone therapy daily to compensate. If you are planning to cycle do your homework to ensure this does not happen to you.
Sterone said:
Yes
Deac isn't all that bad bro...if you use clomid, don't go past 10 weeks on, and a big plus is the H C G. try 500iu's per day for the last three weeks of the cycle....no need to use it throughout but it won't hurt.
H C G can cause gyno so be sure to watch for it.
Heavy Weight Champ said:
I have a friend in the same state. Decently careful, always followed time on/off as a minimum (often times gave it more). Cycles lasted max 10 weeks more often 6. Never went over 1 gram total weekly (less than a lot of newbie recommendations) guess what....4 years afterward - test levels still low and needs replacement therapy.
Some may be more prone than others but this guy did it smarter than a lot of other people and still has what seems to be permanently low test (did not have it before incidentally).
Don't think taking accessory drugs and sticking to the time on/off makes you immune. Don't think that it may not catch up to you eventually. Life occasionally calls one's bluff so be smart and know the risks. At least my friend had a moderately successful athletic career out of it.
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Bar Room Hero
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Sterone said:
I'd say yes.
Sterone said:
Well the generic newbie cycle on EF seems to be 500mg test, 400mg Equ, and 30mgED dbol - that's > 1gram.
Personally I agree that 1 gram is a pretty fair amount of drugs and no newbie should be close to that dose.
Regarding my friend, everyone at his level must juice and you'll find that 1 gram on this board is nothing for more experienced lifters and definitely bbers.
FreakMonster
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athlete03 said:
BUMP, I'd like to see scientific data too
Don't be naive,
No one does studies with massive dosages of androgens over prolonged time (the BBing lifestyle?) - there is only information gleaned from the population.
There are several individuals on this board who have close friends on permanent test replacement therapy due to low test levels years after cessation of moderate (by today's standard) usage.
I would put the same on you - find me evidence that the lower test levels in these individuals were not the result of suppression by the anabolics as this would be the most logical assumption (my friend is not yet 30 so it's not age). Every Dr. my friend has seen, specialists included, has drawn this conclusion - so maybe it's the BA?
Is this going to happen to everyone? No, but don't assume it doesn't happen to anyone.
No one does studies with massive dosages of androgens over prolonged time (the BBing lifestyle?) - there is only information gleaned from the population.
There are several individuals on this board who have close friends on permanent test replacement therapy due to low test levels years after cessation of moderate (by today's standard) usage.
I would put the same on you - find me evidence that the lower test levels in these individuals were not the result of suppression by the anabolics as this would be the most logical assumption (my friend is not yet 30 so it's not age). Every Dr. my friend has seen, specialists included, has drawn this conclusion - so maybe it's the BA?
Is this going to happen to everyone? No, but don't assume it doesn't happen to anyone.
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