Do something that requires all your strength to do this year :(

[OMEGA]

and really forgive someone who really wronged you in some way


look at them, and tell them that you forgive them for all they did to you, even if they don't care about you forgiving them, or act maliciuosly toward you

just try it, and then walk away.....



it has become aware to me that in this life


so many happy to use each other, yet so few willing to admit that they need each other.............



and someone really may need you to forgive them

in time your seed of forgivness will bear fruit

TRUST ME

also

you have to be willing to show love when no ones else is willing too

even if the peron that hurt let you down 99 times

you have to break the cycle of mistrust,

by being willing to sacrifice and reach out when no one else is willing too

 

[Scotsman]

This is my one great character flaw. I am completely unable to forgive people. I tried a couple of times with very dissapointing results so I haven't ever tried again.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[wtlftr]

I can forgive old friends but not stupid fucks

 

[The Wenis]

that takes more strength than i have. strangers i can forgive. family, i can't do it.

 

[OMEGA]

guy just as the sun sets

they may only know what you did for them before they die


but you know what?

its never too late.........

all that matter is that you tried

and that right there, sets you apart from so many

a wish I had discovered this earlier in life,

just thank our lucky starts we found a shred of truth in the act


I don't want to bite this line form a movie but its true

"time not important only life is important"


and part of life is forgivness

 

[KillahBee]

fuck that. I respect your views, but I disagree. To me, strength has nothing to do with forgiving someone that has wronged you (in my personal life). I can see how others see it that way, though. I am currently in the process of dropping one of my best friends for good. His girl is more important to him than his true friends, so fuck him, he's forgotten. Not gonna get into the story, but it isn't your typical guy gets a little jealous b/c his best boy is spending time with new gf story though.

then again, I am in a pretty bad mood, so anything I say right now is going to be hateful! lol. good advice though, bro.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

and really forgive someone who really wronged you in some way


look at them, and tell them that you forgive them for all they did to you, even if they don't care about you forgiving them, or act maliciuosly toward you

just try it, and then walk away.....

then go to there house and shit in their mail box. Sorry... I am very passive agressive.

 

[OMEGA]

I am currently in the process of dropping one of my best friends for good. His girl is more important to him than his true friends, so fuck him, he's forgotten.

me too, and hurts

his girl of 7 years that he literally brought up almost as a daughter (they grew up togtehr but he is vastly intelligent and caring)cheated him and she did so when he finally gave in and really chose to love her

poetic eh?

but it was too late, even when she cheated he chose to love her

and his heart is so just, that he can't not love her now

and it kills me to see what she has done to him, and she new what she did she new the cost....

and chose that road

I shit you not here actions defiled him, and bent the lense of his heart

and for time I wanted to hurt her

and the thing is I told him sthat something is different about her

I knew she cheated

I knew it!, I don't know how but i did


and now he sides with her on almost all issues, she has a type of controll over him

and I told him if you marry her I will do everyting to stop you and you'll hate me for it

but I will do it

if I have to loose you as a freind, I don't care you mean to much to me

your heart means to much to too many

 

[OMEGA]

then go to there house and shit in their mail box. Sorry... I am very passive agressive.

your a good dude

you can't hide it

 

[daveyboy]

I hear you Omega & I agree with what you're saying but sometimes the damage that's been done is so severe that it takes years & years before the anger finally burns itself out. You can't always do it overnight. Sometimes it takes awhile.

 

[SoreArms]

I must also say that willingness to forgive is one of my major flaws.

I can forgive people who don't mean shit to me real easy. But it takes a lot for me to care about a person, whether it be in a friendly or romantic manner, so once they wrong me I cross them off my list for good.

I do regret it sometimes, but my pride will not allow me to reverse my decision.

 

[OMEGA]

davey boy

the longer the grudge the more storng you actullay are IF you be able to let it go.......

 

[OMEGA]

I must also say that willingness to forgive is one of my major flaws.

I can forgive people who don't mean shit to me real easy. But it takes a lot for me to care about a person, whether it be in a friendly or romantic manner, so once they wrong me I cross them off my list for good.

I do regret it sometimes, but my pride will not allow me to reverse my decision.

some times pride is a reflection of the honerable protecting themselves and be confidant in showing others the way.......

I don't think pride is wrong if you know you not a lyer of a cheat, and you care about others (yes even your enemy)



however if you can look back and wonder some times whether you were too mean or even have a question mark in you head that "hmm maybe this should be re-evaluated

then right there YOU have PROOF of your BIG heart

as crazy as it sounds in these days even the entertainment of the THOUGHT of forgivness is an act of grace that should be nourished not unlike a rare breed of flower

because really these days our race needs all the love it can get

a love that realizes it may get fu#$ed in the process

but hey the collective human experiment is like all of us being at a pond where all those quarters and dimes at the bottom are from people, families and event in history that were given to us through the care and suffering of others

problem is these day is we are all either too cheap or too afraid to even flick a penny for anyone


and thats not good for the future of our race

what will the children of tommorrolw have when they go to the same pond?


some need to be willign to emptythe piggy bank if need be

 

[daveyboy]

Did you go see "The Passion" or something?? Just curious.

 

[OMEGA]

Did you go see "The Passion" or something?? Just curious.

nope


why bro?

this not about religion though I have no QUESTION in a one GOD, a compassionate GOD a loving GOD, who really cares for things


PS I don't care about the idea of heaven or hell or living after

i just worry about those that hurt

not sure why

and not sure I want to attempt undeststand it with my brain


I dont care how smart you are or rich you are if ya don't have one of these

you not worth much

and believe me I was like a demon a real bad one

and something changed and I don;t think I know why?


as geigh as it sounds

I just love people

which is why i think when I was younger I was so mad at them

I was disapointed with the performance of our race

but you know what?

MOST people don't sin with there hearts bro

most do with their heads

and there is a differnce

most people are prone to mild idiocy and persusion of wrong ideas as they may be at this moment

but look man we are doing the best we can

as children would have helped you if they could

its the period of life just before death and as a child that we are innocent

its the time in between that we grow worrysome of each others motives and are prone dislike each other due to material circumtance, simple misunderstanding , or when pure evil seeks to make us hurt each other

 

[daveyboy]

That's cool. No biggie. It just sounded like what you were saying in your last sentence....that something changed. That's all. And for some reason that movie was the first thing that popped into my mind. I guess I've never heard you get serious like this before. Seems like I'm always reading your G-plenish threads! heheh

 

[OMEGA]

hey bro I added mroe to the above post just incase you wanted to see a more comprehensive explanation

 

[daveyboy]

Got it. And like I said earlier, I agree. You're right. We need to be able to forgive. It's just not always an easy thing to do.

 

[OMEGA]

Got it. And like I said earlier, I agree. You're right. We need to be able to forgive. It's just not always an easy thing to do.

hey man I am not sure I am right

I just have a hunch

 

[daveyboy]

hey man I am not sure I am right

I just have a hunch

Oh you're right bro. Trust me.

 

[OMEGA]

Trust me.

ok

 

[OMEGA]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2759983#post2759983


iteresting responses here

 

[daveyboy]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2759983#post2759983


iteresting responses here

I liked the one comment about the government....hehe. That was pretty good.

 

[Pamela]

It does take a lot to tell someone your sorry and you forgive them!

And sometimes it may work out and sometimes it doesn't!
But at least you tried to make things better..

 

[OMEGA]

yes

 

[havoc]

and really forgive someone who really wronged you in some way


look at them, and tell them that you forgive them for all they did to you, even if they don't care about you forgiving them, or act maliciuosly toward you

just try it, and then walk away.....



it has become aware to me that in this life


so many happy to use each other, yet so few willing to admit that they need each other.............



and someone really may need you to forgive them

in time your seed of forgivness will bear fruit

TRUST ME

also

you have to be willing to show love when no ones else is willing too

even if the peron that hurt let you down 99 times

you have to break the cycle of mistrust,

by being willing to sacrifice and reach out when no one else is willing too

Solid post!

 

[OMEGA]

Hovoc the more the narrow path is sought the more the distrsaction , and the more that you will be challenged, and confronted

but just lose your eyes, and ears and follow the one true guide

 

[OMEGA]

the blood that flows the through my father veins flows through mine

and one day he will know I am his son

 

[juve]

I can forgive, I just can't forget. I suppose though, it absolves the person in question from guilt


catharsis...

 

[OMEGA]

if they truly learned a lesson, and moved on then all should be forgiven

sometimes when you really F up and change you shoudl be able to start a new

 

[OMEGA]

note a distinction:

those who sin of f- up with their hearts may indeed deserve to not be forgiven

but those that sin with the heads minus the heart should be forgiven

there is a differnce

 

[Fonz]

This is my one great character flaw. I am completely unable to forgive people. I tried a couple of times with very dissapointing results so I haven't ever tried again.

Cheers,
Scotsman

Well then, take my view on the subject.

Forgive but NEVER forget what happenned.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

fuck that. I respect your views, but I disagree. To me, strength has nothing to do with forgiving someone that has wronged you (in my personal life). I can see how others see it that way, though. I am currently in the process of dropping one of my best friends for good. His girl is more important to him than his true friends, so fuck him, he's forgotten. Not gonna get into the story, but it isn't your typical guy gets a little jealous b/c his best boy is spending time with new gf story though.

then again, I am in a pretty bad mood, so anything I say right now is going to be hateful! lol. good advice though, bro.

such strength is brittle. it will break, or you will, when enough pressure is applied.

omega has impressed me with his posts, because i often feel the same. unfortunately i am still being cut by people who i love...maybe when enough scar tissue is there, or my heart completely breaks, will i be able to live as omega describes

i am a proud person. it is both a blessing and a curse. it might kill me, but then, i wouldnt have it any other way

cheers

 

[OMEGA]

like I said I used to want to burn those who I judged evil in flame

and I could

Not physical flame but other methods........

and believe you me, I WAS EVIL, but evil only when I was lied to or taken advatage of

I had no equal in this...

really I say that with no ego, and no pride I could be a monster.....

funny but I was not unlike a demon when the switch went off

I set traps intellectual, and other wise, played vulnearble or dumb on purpose, then when bait was taken I would destroy them.

and on top of that I took pleasure in a drawn out pain over month if need be

then I saw the results of one of my actions and how it hurt an innocent unintetionally

and that was not right, na dit forced me to cry

it changed me, I realized that if I could shed one tear when seeing someone or something suffer that I had to be good,

and then when they forgave me knowing how much suffering I caused that was the seal........

I changed for not cus of the law not cus peopel hated me, but becuase I looked into the eys of an innocent and saw what I did, and they still loved me, despite the pain I caused

I still feel the horror of seeing my traps, and the ways it hurt others


I am not sure I could harm a fly or even lie if I wanted to now


and yes I do feel vulnerable at times but I can't play the other game anymore

the cost is too high

 

[onebigab]

Forgiving but never forgetting seems like an easy thing to do.
But it will still eventually eat you up as well. It will be a hard road for you and your friend if you stay friends.

 

[Scotsman]

Well then, take my view on the subject.

Forgive but NEVER forget what happenned.

Oh I don't forget. Therefore I am unable to forgive.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[OMEGA]

hm

 

[Fonz]

Oh I don't forget. Therefore I am unable to forgive.

Cheers,
Scotsman

They are mutually exclusive terms....you just have to learn to forgive and forget.. There is no such thing as a perfect friend or perfect GF and so on. Life is about compromises.

 

[Werd]

and then when they forgave me knowing how much suffering I caused that was the seal........

I changed for not cus of the law not cus peopel hated me, but becuase I looked into the eys of an innocent and saw what I did, and they still loved me, despite the pain I caused

Odd, I was called emotionally disturbed because I still feel kindly towards someone that I used to love... at least the person that I thought I loved... regardless of how badly they hurt me in the past and even how they continue to really hurt me in the present.

It's ok. The pain turned more to shock when I saw just how wrong I had been about them. There was no more rationalizing or excusing their behavior. Finally I felt dismay because I know that those people are the ones hurting. They can't hurt me anymore. I actually feel pity for them now.

Forgiving someone does not mean forgetting - it only means that you harbor no more ill will.

What I find to be hard is forgiving those who refuse to say they are sorry or to even acknowledge how they have hurt me. This is what I need to learn to do. I need to learn to stop feeling stuck because I am afraid of being hurt again by others in the future just because those that have hurt me in the past refuse to acknowledge that it happened.

 

[OMEGA]

What I find to be hard is forgiving those who refuse to say they are sorry or to even acknowledge how they have hurt me. This is what I need to learn to do. I need to learn to stop feeling stuck because I am afraid of being hurt again by others in the future just because those that have hurt me in the past refuse to acknowledge that it happened.

Bro I am no guru, so I will just share something


its the most important type of forgiveness when you forgive those who are not sorry

this is the window for you to really take a next step on many levels

I have done this three times, and its not unlike going into a boxing match in your head where you literally fight that hate, or dislike


someone broke my leg intentionally I found our really bad

he was my team mate no less, but I was the best at a postion

he took it out in practice, and when I founf out he did it on purpose I wanted to kill

but it was eating me inside

then out of no whewre I forced my self to forgive him
you mind is stong enough for this

I told him I did, and he did not care

but late ri n life he knew what I did

at any rate it freed something when I forgave

free you self form it, even in word it will come out fine

 

[Whiskey]

I "guess" that I could forgive the retards that drive 55 on the money going down our 2 lane highways. God I miss divided highways.

Whiskey

 

[Werd]

How can I forgive these people? They proliferate lies about me and think it's funny to joke about my difficulties? I can accept this from everyone, except one. I thought that I was special to him once and while those feelings were long extinguished, I only felt kindness and friendship for him.... while he publicly ridiculed me.

Do you have any idea how that took that air out of me?

Not because I was still in love with him for heaven's sake, but because I thought that regardless of how badly things ended he respected me as a person - a human being... not a piece of meat. He knew this about me, that the one way someone could hurt me most was to refer to me as a piece of meat...

I don't understand it. It defies logic. We were such good friends once upon a time. Then we became lovers. That ended very badly - he never gave me closure. Though I moved on to another relationship that also ended a long time ago - I still had very strong feelings of friendship because he NEVER treated me like flesh. He was always kind and respectful. I was never any other way towards him regardless of how badly he hurt me. The only thing that I ever did was try to help him to see that he was more than just the sum total of his physical prowess and that I did not agree with views on violence. I never publicly or privately jeered him. And I apologized if I had ever said things out of anger in the past that may have hurt him.

All the "others" are no one to me. They are mired in their own stench of existence and I am happy to be excluded.

But from him... I never expected because he was so kind for so long, never being disrespectful of my feminity. But then again, I guess I was so busy glorifying the fantasy of who I thought he was, I never saw that he was fully capable...

In any event, it's ok. Eventually, I will find a way to put this behind me and trust people again.

But for now I will stay to myself.... I don't trust my own judgement of people anymore.

 

[OMEGA]

hey bro bed time I will answer tomorrow

I am sure we can find an answer



yes and things can be solved with one cycle of the sun ( a day)

you just have to really want it

 

[OMEGA]

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