DO NOT INJECT INSULIN IM only SUB Q

[gear63]

simple it is a bad tech. that is not used for any reason inject it into you abdominal area SUB Q ONLY !

 

[miscreant]

Thank you. Ditto. You want consistant performance right? Then SubQ.

 

[mr.nitro]

ive always done im. whats the big deal?

 

[gear63]

It is not meant to be used IM because Muscle will absorb it and render it useless this is directly from an Endocrinologist actually several Endos

 

[Big_BK]

I remember reading that it won't give you stable levels and is dangerous to take it IM not that it is rendered useless.

 

[miscreant]

I remember reading that it won't give you stable levels and is dangerous to take it IM not that it is rendered useless.

Well, the fact that it is rendered useless is dangerous for diabetics, so that is where it comes from.

1) It can cause build up of small fat nodules when injected in muscle. This is rare when subq.
2) It's absorbtion rate is very irratic when in muscle. It can be very very fast, or very fast, and is generally much faster than subQ.
3) It can be broken down to a useless form depending on the presence of certain metabolites in the muscle tissue (probably the cause of 2 above).
4) It can be painful for hours after injecting if you hit muscle.
5) The rate of absorbtion can be effected if you have recently exercised the muscle in question.

For someone not diabetic, the above may not be "dangerous" because your life/health is not depending on being exact, but IM is not reliable and a waste. If the only difference is how far you stick it in, why not do subQ and do it right???

I can vouch for the above considering I poke myself about 7 times a day. Being lean, I have hit muscle a couple times, and with novolog (an analog- fast acting) wow did it come on strong and a couple times it was sore for a while - and stunk cause it was right on my belt line so it kept rubbing all day.

The key to insulin use is to match your insulin dose to your carb intake, so that you 1) can force as much of your carbs into your muscle (along with anabolic repair), and 2) at the same time not have to keep eating and eating because you are going hypoglycemic because you used too much insulin or your insulin release is irratic. Ideally, you use a fast acting insulin, and figure out through testing how many carbs you can clear based on a certain insulin dose.

Here's a scenario. One day you inject in your ab muscle 2 units, and eat 50 carbs within 15-20 minutes. After about 2 hours you are at a stable 110 blood glucose level. You did Biceps that day, so you worked your core very little. The next day you hit the 2 units in your ab muscle, but this day you did a lot of compound movements that worked the core area more than the previous day. You eat your 50 carbs again, but suddenly at 30 minutes in you are feeling shaky and lightheaded and kinda out of it. Oops, your blood sugar is low and you feel like crap. You feel like you are losing your mind. You're a little disoriented. So you panic, and start eating sugar and more sugar, more than you planned. You end up pushing your carb intake past the anabolic window and the excess insulin starts pushing fats around where you don't want them to be. But the low glucose level is a horrible feeling to begin with, alone.

If you inject subQ in the abdomen, you most likely will always have the same absorbtion rates and be able to match your intake amounts to best utilize the hormone, and most like would not be faced with the above.

 

[aquatic_glories]

I was talking about IM on another thread..
I go by experience and I havent had any problems with IM I have done probably hundred of it..
GH was only being injected subq back then , now it is changing..
Actually some pro s do insulin injections IV .. If you use insulin , you have to be very knowledged and with that amount of knowledge, nothing should happen even if you inject IV,, IMHO .. I also mostly inject it to the muscle worked, again , no scientific reason behind this..

I have never read researches about insulin injections , I would be happy to see what you provide. 'That is not used' is completely wrong..

 

[miscreant]

GH was only being injected subq back then , now it is changing..

GH has always been "recommended" subq, but was acceptable IM because it is so fast acting to begin with, it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Since it works subQ, it was recommended that way because it's a much more pleasant injection and easier for regular people.

Actually some pro s do insulin injections IV ..

That's because that is the most reliable, consistent, and fastest acting way to administer (turns regular insulin into faster than an analog), the opposite of IM so the point doesn't support IM injection. Also, IV administration is how hospitals administer insulin if it's required to get it into the system quickly.

If you use insulin, you have to be very knowledged and with that amount of knowledge, nothing should happen even if you inject IV,, IMHO .. I also mostly inject it to the muscle worked, again , no scientific reason behind this..

I have never read researches about insulin injections , I would be happy to see what you provide. 'That is not used' is completely wrong..

Not to be a smart a$$, but if you haven't read about insulin injections and the reasons you don't inject into muscle (which are readily available on the internet), than you haven't become knowledged yet.

 

[aquatic_glories]

I only read the important things and the things that came with the medicine..
All my other knowledge came from experience, and yes I am knowledged thanks to my experiences.

At least I am not saying anything like 'IM injections are wasted' ..

And again , I inject IM because it hits me much faster ,, I dont give a damn what anyone says, I am just sharing my experiences..

thanks anyway ,, I will examine it more when I have time