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DNP Acidosis...

Dr.Evil

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there is a misconception that dnp causes a loss of electrolytes, especially potassium. this is only half true as you have to consider both intra and extracellular potassium levels. i used to preech supplementing with potassium salt and v8 juice while on a DNP cycle. but this may actually be an extreme hazard especially in people with poor aldosterone function.

dnp has been shown repeatedly to cause hyperthermia, respiratory acidosis, and metabolic acidosis. all these conditions would lead to potassium accumulation in the blood, or hyperkalemia. there is actually still a loss of potassium because intracellular potassium (where potassium should be) is gettting very low, but extracellular potassium is accumulating and getting too high. adding more potassium to the diet of someone on dnp may cause even more extracellular potassium accumulation and lead to more acidosis. this acidosis can cause the person to be diaphoretic (rapid breathing), a symptom seen in people on high doses of dnp. from personal experience even on lower doses of dnp, adding a large amnt of potassium to my diet made me very diaphoretic. adding more and more supplemented potassium or potassium sparing diuretics such as aldactone or mannitol can cause the extracellular potassium levels to rise so high that you go into cardiac arrest.

the problem of a dnp cycle becomes too little potassium inside the cell, but there is really no way to replenish this intracellular potassium because dnp messes up the Na/K pump and any potassium addition would just be left outside the cell where it becomes dangerous. having too little potassium inside the cell will make you feel very sluggish and listless, but do not take any potassium salt or v8 juice to try to replenish this. the only thing you can do is drink lots of water and take some sodium bicarbonate. sodium citrate would also help buffer some acid, but there's nothing you can do about low intracellular potassium levels.

if you want to experiment for yourself, take a low dose of dnp. 3 days later add 2000mg of potassium salt to your pasta and see if your breathing rate increase. this won't be nearly enough to kill you if your dnp doses are low, but will be enough to put you in a state of respiratory acidoses and your breathing rate will increase accordingly.
 
feedback from fonz, andy?

i just learned that dbol raises potassium levels a lot, so a dbol with 800mg/day of dnp + potassium sups would be very unwise.
 
Dr.Evil said:
feedback from fonz, andy?

i just learned that dbol raises potassium levels a lot, so a dbol with 800mg/day of dnp + potassium sups would be very unwise.

Hmm...

Due to its effects on lipid oxidation, DNP causes a sharp
drop in the respiratory quotient(RQ), which is how
we tell what kind of calories are being burned.

An RQ of 1.0 signifies complete anaerobic metabolism.
Essetially, carbs are being burned EXCLUSIVELY
for fuel.
The lowest RQ setting of 0.7 is when you are burning
fat at 90% of your metabolic rate at that specific
time.

DNP users are normally around the 0.7 RQ mark.

In other words, they are using up oxygen at a VERY
rapid rate and expelling CO2(carbon dioxide).

I'm not sure of the actual metabolic relationship, but its the
increased CO2 formation+the change in the sodium-potassium
pump which can in theory cause the problem.

Fonz
 
yeah, dnp will def drop the RQ. i found no evidence that dnp by itself can drive potassium to dangerous levels, but there have been 2 cases i know of where dnp users freaked out because they weren't used to these symptoms and rushed themselves to the ER. at the ER docs gave them potassium sparing diuretics like mannitol and aldosterone with a potassium/saline IV infusion to keep blood volume up. this is pretty standard poison control procedure and effectively got rid of the dnp, BUT their potassium levels rose to over 10meq and their hearts stopped. both were able to be revived, but one stayed in a coma for several days.

moral of the story is, if you feel like you ODd on dnp don't go to the hospital cuz most doctors don't know what the fuck they're doing and will end up killing you. if you do go then make sure they don't give you any type of diuretics or potassium supps.

there is really nothing a doc can do that you can't do yourself. you need to control your temperature with ice packs, fans, or even an ice bath. drink lots and lots of fluids. this is the ONLY way to survive an overdose.

summer is coming up. stay COOL and HYDRATED if you decide to use dnp.
 
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