diuretics (dyazide or aldactazide?)

[musclegirl28]

Hi guys,

I have taken aldactone in the past as a diuretic prior to a show. results are fair, but could be better. I'm considering a slightly stronger diuretic like dyazide or aldactazide instead. what is the recommended dosage for this type of diuretic and what would my water intake schedule be. I would normally cut my water the night of Thursday prior to a show on Saturday. I am (or will be 110 pounds, am a female bodybuilder).

I have already asked this question in the women's forum... just looking to see if anyone in this forum has any answers too...

 

[needsize]

I cant answer for a woman, but I used 50mg(full tab) of diazide thurs night, 50mg fri morning, another 50mg friday evening, and that was enough to drop 15lbs of water and come in shredded

 

[sweed]

I cant answer for a woman, but I used 50mg(full tab) of diazide thurs night, 50mg fri morning, another 50mg friday evening, and that was enough to drop 15lbs of water and come in shredded

what was water intake thos last few days and on contest? did u get any cramps during the show??

 

[musclegirl28]

I cut out water completely starting Thursday nite... same all day friday and all day of the show on saturday. This gave good results, but yes, I did cramp a bit in my feet on the day of the show.

 

[musclegirl28]

anyone?

 

[needsize]

I loaded water mon-wed, thurs 3 litres, friday 1 litre, no cramping

 

[silverbackn]

I used dimidex and didn't have any cramps what so ever. I used 10mg Thurs night, 10mg Friday morning, 10mg, Friday night, and 10mg Saturday morning. I took my last drink of water Friday night about 5:30.

 

[Makavelli]

I don't work with either. I'm not particularly fond of them. The only competitor that I was working with that used dyazide started severe cramping despite taking ample pottassium.
I use and have all my athletes use Aldactone starting 5 days out. Then injectable intravenous Lasix on Friday night and again on Saturday morning if necessary. Combining Aldactone with Lasix allows you to use a lower dosage of Lasix, but achieve the same effects.
A common mistake that BB's make prior to a show is cutting water out too early and severely. For example I'll drink water liberally up to 6 gallons a day once I start my carb load on a Wed before a show and then drink only a gallon before 5:00 P.M. on Friday. Then I sip water to take my pills and that's it.

 

[musclegirl28]

Isn't Dyazide potassium sparing though? Could this be why he was cramping? I hear nothing but good things about Lasix... but am afraid of it big time. If you were to guide a 110 pound woman bodybuilder who was 8-9% bf, no carb or sodium loading, but only fat loading on the Friday night, what would you tell them? And when would you tell them to cut their water?

 

[Themachine01]

I don't work with either. I'm not particularly fond of them. The only competitor that I was working with that used dyazide started severe cramping despite taking ample pottassium.
I use and have all my athletes use Aldactone starting 5 days out. Then injectable intravenous Lasix on Friday night and again on Saturday morning if necessary. Combining Aldactone with Lasix allows you to use a lower dosage of Lasix, but achieve the same effects.
A common mistake that BB's make prior to a show is cutting water out too early and severely. For example I'll drink water liberally up to 6 gallons a day once I start my carb load on a Wed before a show and then drink only a gallon before 5:00 P.M. on Friday. Then I sip water to take my pills and that's it.

shit bro, I thought I drank a lot of water with 3 gallons per day, but 6?

 

[Makavelli]

shit bro, I thought I drank a lot of water with 3 gallons per day, but 6?

Keep in mind that's for loading purposes. I don't routinely drink that much. My average is like your's about 3 a day. Still a lot.

 

[musclegirl28]

I'm glad I'm not a man... that's a hella lotta water...

 

[Makavelli]

Isn't Dyazide potassium sparing though? Could this be why he was cramping? I hear nothing but good things about Lasix... but am afraid of it big time. If you were to guide a 110 pound woman bodybuilder who was 8-9% bf, no carb or sodium loading, but only fat loading on the Friday night, what would you tell them? And when would you tell them to cut their water?

No. Dyazide isn't potassium sparing. Aldactazide is a combo of a potassium sparing and a potassium depleting. Why don't you carb load? Without a carb load you have to be careful with Lasix. Your blood pressure will already be low and by taking Lasix it can drop real quick. I would use about 100 mgs a day of Aldactone and then start off by injecting 10 mgs of Lasix intravenously on Friday night around 8 P.M. Wait about 2 hours and judge the results. That should do it, but if you need more then inject another 10 mgs on Saturday morning. The injectable Lasix peaks in about an hour, but it's still active for 6 hours. So don't overlap the dosage or you could be in trouble.

 

[kalken]

.this!!

 

[musclegirl28]

Makavelli: Could you tell me how carb loading works? I'm a little confused because many people tell me different things. I think that if I do any stronger diuretic than just aldactone, I may want to get this carb load thing straight. I've only ever fat loaded...

 

[canadianhitman]

A good friend of mine did the following recently, with the aim to peak on a Saturday afternoon:

Thursday AM: 25mg Dyazide

Thursday PM: 25mg Dyazide

(unlimited intake of distilled water)

Friday AM: 25mg Dyazide

Friday PM: 25mg Dyazide

(Limited to 3 6-oz glasses of water prior to 6pm, no water after 6pm)

Saturday AM: 25mg Dyazide

He came in looking super-tight. Prior to this, he was drinking a very large volume of water every day for a week to get his body used to shedding water (natural build-up of diuretic hormones).

 

[canadianhitman]

For my friend's carb load, he did the following: At ten days out, he went very low-carb for a week (less than 50mg carbs per day, and all low GI). Every muscle got trained during this period. At 3 days out, carb load began at 500g+ of carbs per day, eaten seperately from protein meals (spaced out an hour and a half or so apart). During the 3 day carb-load, he didn't train...the only work his muscles got was a result of practicing posing. Worked very well for him.

 

[musclegirl28]

Canadianhitman: Hey, a fellow canuck! Thanks for your help! Do you know if your friend did any carb, fat or sodium loading prior to or during the dyazide schedule?

 

[canadianhitman]

Canadianhitman: Hey, a fellow canuck! Thanks for your help! Do you know if your friend did any carb, fat or sodium loading prior to or during the dyazide schedule?

He followed a low-sodium diet, only loaded a little sodium in the form of some gatorade the morning of the show to ensure he wouldn't be flat (plus the added benefit of potassium). He carb-depleted for a week, then carb loaded. Fats stayed fairly low throughout contest prep.

 

[musclegirl28]

I'll have to look into it to change it up accordingly (woman, probably at least 60-70 pounds lighter).. but it gives me a better idea of what I need to be doing. Thanks for the useful info bro! Much appreciated. I'll try something similar this year... and take home the Canadian title!!!

 

[Makavelli]

The last week is filled with so much myth it's ridiculous! That's why so many people come in flat, depleted, cramping, etc.

You need to eat an enormous amount of carbs after being depleted for so long. You should aim for at least 12 g/kg/lbm the first 24 hours of the load. For the next 24 hours eat 8-10 g/kg/lbm. And 8 g/kg/lbm for the final up to the show. You need to know what carbs bloat you and what doesn't. I've been experimenting with carb loads for 5 years and I know exactly how to do them now. Not to boast, but I really feel I'm an expert in this area.

Rule # 1: Don't sodium load and deplete. Just stop adding salt starting on Wed before the show.
Rule #2: Don't restrict water too much. This will stop you from filling out
Rule #3:Carb load to the fullest, but pay close attention to your appearance throughout the load

I'd also like to make a comment about Aldactone. I use it because it's easy to get and mild. It works great with Lasix. Ideally however I would opt for Diamox, Mykrox, and Lasix. You only need to use them the day before the show so that you don't excrete excess sodium during the carb load. Sodium is very important to load your muscles with carbs properly. This is the major downfall with Aldactone. It still works, but it's not optimum.

 

[musclegirl28]

Makavelli: thanks for the tips... I'll look into lasix somemore... I didn't really trust it at first - everyone keeps scaring the shit out of me telling me that it could kill me. My friend "the pharmacist" wouldn't sell it to me because he said "he didn't want to hurt me". Do you have any comments on non-loop diuretics like aldactazide or dyazide? Do you find them anywhere near as effective? How do you think these products would react to a carb load?

 

[Makavelli]

Makavelli: thanks for the tips... I'll look into lasix somemore... I didn't really trust it at first - everyone keeps scaring the shit out of me telling me that it could kill me. My friend "the pharmacist" wouldn't sell it to me because he said "he didn't want to hurt me". Do you have any comments on non-loop diuretics like aldactazide or dyazide? Do you find them anywhere near as effective? How do you think these products would react to a carb load?

There's 3 things that you need to look for when choosing a diuretic: 1) Effectiveness-Is the drug good at getting rid of water, 2) Predictability: Is the drug predictable? Do I know exactly when it will start to have an impact and when it peaks and when it's out, and 3) Availability-Do I have access to this drug?

Injectable Lasix fits all 3 of these criteria. Notice I said injectable intravenous Lasix, not the tabs. Tabs are too unpredictable. It's very easy to overdose on tabs because you don't know exactly when they'll hit you. You could freak out and go "I need to take more" and then you're dead. With injectable it starts working w/in 5 minutes and peaks in an hour or two. So you know that if you need to take more after waiting 6 hours, it's safer to do so than the tabs. Notice I said safer, not completely safe. As all us competitive BB's know diuretics are the most dangerous drug we use.

Make sure to start taking Quinine on Wed before the show. 2 tabs in the morining and 2 in the evening. That will alleviate the cramping. Also don't take any additional pottassium if you're also using Aldactone. Aldactone causes the level of pottassium to rise and Lasix drops it. It usually balances out.