Discrimination Against Whites Is Allowed To Continue

[VicTusDeuS]

Just remember in the not so distant future whites will be the minority but we will still be up against these foolish programs.

WASHINGTON (June 23) - The Supreme Court on Monday upheld a university law school admissions policy that gives minorities an edge, ruling that race can be one of many factors that colleges consider when selecting their students.

The ruling in the law-school case preserves the concept of affirmative action for minorities who might otherwise be underrepresented on top campuses, but makes clear that racial preferences must be used sparingly.

The 5-4 ruling endorsed a program at the University of Michigan law school meant to ensure a ''critical mass'' of minorities on campus. The program is not an illegal quota, the high court said.

A companion ruling testing the constitutionality of another, more overtly preferential affirmative action program for minority applicants was also expected Monday.

Government has a compelling interest in promoting racial diversity on campus, and the law school plan is narrowly focused on that goal, the court majority said.

The ruling allows tax-supported schools, and by extension private schools and other institutions, to continue searching for ways to boost minority enrollment without violating the Constitution's guarantee against discrimination.

The University of Michigan cases are the most significant test of affirmative action to reach the court in a generation. At issue was whether racial preference programs unconstitutionally discriminate against white students.

AP-NY-06-23-03 1021EDT

 

[Chester_Copperpot]

Does it really matter?

 

[gettinlarger]

Does it really matter?

You're saying it doesn't?

Giving minorities an advantage just because of their race? That's fucking ridiculous.

 

[Stangfriik]

-- In second decision, U.S. Supreme Court rules point system which considers race as factor in University of Michigan undergraduate admissions is unconstitutional.

 

[The Republican]

Horrible. That shit needs to be changed ASAP. Equality my ass.

 

[manny78]

Land of the free....... for real ?

 

[Y_lifter]

I'm gonna start taking advantage of my 1/4 American Indian bloodline...

 

[anabolicmd]

Come on white people, its time to share your ill gotten gains...its our turn to get screwed now. We agreed to it, cant take it back now.

 

[p0ink]

reagan appointed o'connor and bush senior appointed Souter.

this is why you dont compromise with liberals on judgeships.

institutionalized racism is back in style.

 

[anabolicmd]

reagan appointed o'connor and bush senior appointed Souter.

this is why you dont compromise with liberals on judgeships.

institutionalized racism is back in style.

Poink you missed the whole poink of the thread. If whites are going to attone for the sins of racism perpetrated against the minorities, they must suffer from it themselves, and do it without whining or complaining. Then we will all be victims of racism and therefore we will finally be even (therefore equal) some day.

 

[Chester_Copperpot]

You're saying it doesn't?

Giving minorities an advantage just because of their race? That's fucking ridiculous.

I'm saying nothing will change.

 

[gettinlarger]

I'm saying nothing will change.

Ah. My bad.

 

[gettinlarger]

No, I was not too clear.

Ah, your bad.

 

[Chester_Copperpot]

Ah. My bad.

No, I was not too clear.

 

[p0ink]

Poink you missed the whole poink of the thread. If whites are going to attone for the sins of racism perpetrated against the minorities, they must suffer from it themselves, and do it without whining or complaining. Then we will all be victims of racism and therefore we will finally be even (therefore equal) some day.

what kind of bullshit argument is that? i never fucking discriminated against any race. i never joined the KKK nor subscribed to their way of thinking. i never fucking owned slaves. i never fucking lynched anyone. why should i be punished?

why should we still be paying for the sins of some of our great, great, great-grand parents? what about the black people who owned slaves?

i have seen the effects of affirmative action first hand. i would see them on a daily basis, when professors have to re-teach students how to do basic algebra in a junior level course. i have had to 'peer edit' papers of college students that write on the 6th grade level. I AM KEPT FROM LEARNING MORE BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO TOO 'FAST' OR WE HAVE TO RE-TEACH BASIC CONCEPTS!!!

you think dumbing down americans in the name of 'diversity' is going to somehow lead to a greater america?

you're beyond retarded.

 

[anabolicmd]

what kind of bullshit argument is that? i never fucking discriminated against any race. i never joined the KKK nor subscribed to their way of thinking. i never fucking owned slaves. i never fucking lynched anyone. why should i be punished?

why should we still be paying for the sins of some of our great, great, great-grand parents? what about the black people who owned slaves?

you think dumbing down americans in the name of 'diversity' is going to somehow lead to a greater america?

you're beyond retarded.

Poink Im not disagreeing with you at all. Im just trying to explain why it is the way it is. White people today benefit from the racial discrimination of the past. So you have to give up a little and give it to minorities. You might not like it, but thats the way it is. White America is going along with this and I dont think you can change your mind now without starting a civil war.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

White people today do not benefit from racial discrimination of the past. I went to a good school because my parents studied in college, busted their ass working and saved their money to give me a better life. My grandfather worked 2 jobs over 70 hours a week to make sure my dad and his family had money to go to school and still be able to eat. There is no benefit there, just hard work. I struggled in highschool and college to get good grades while working a full time job to pay my bills- I recieved no benefit from discriminating against blacks.

If these damn minorities have it so bad how come the Asians flocking to our country are making more money than all of us. They have just as many obstacles to overcome as anyone not from this country, unlike the blacks who already speak our language. They do not expect handouts, they work hard.

 

[anabolicmd]

White people today do not benefit from racial discrimination of the past.

You may not agree with it but that is the prevailing opinion. That is the theory behind the attempts to redistribute the priviledges among minorities. You may not have benefitted from racism, but your race did. Now your race is paying the price for all those years it held an unfair disadvantage over others. Im not commenting whether it is right or wrong. Its just the way it is.

 

[overhead]

It is reverse racism, no doubt. If you use skin color as a factor in admissions or hiring than it is racism. Asians are not a prefered minority, they suceed without any government help. They do not have any built in excuses to fail in society.
If I were a minority I would be mad as hell. Everyone around me, no matter how hard I worked would always think the only reason I was there was the color of my skin.
IMHO, successful , driven people will suceed with or without affirmative action. White people that say they did not suceed due to racism are weak, just as black people who say they did not do well in life becuase of racism are weak. I could care less about affirmative action, yeah its wrong, but I will suceed with or without it.

 

[anabolicmd]

It is reverse racism, no doubt. If you use skin color as a factor in admissions or hiring than it is racism. Asians are not a prefered minority, they suceed without any government help. They do not have any built in excuses to fail in society.
If I were a minority I would be mad as hell. Everyone around me, no matter how hard I worked would always think the only reason I was there was the color of my skin.
IMHO, successful , driven people will suceed with or without affirmative action. White people that say they did not suceed due to racism are weak, just as black people who say they did not do well in life becuase of racism are weak. I could care less about affirmative action, yeah its wrong, but I will suceed with or without it.

Thats the spirit. Why complain about something that cant be changed?

 

[overhead]

"Thats the spirit. Why complain about something that cant be changed?"

I am not the smartest guy around, but I think I may sense a little sarcasm in that post. I was not saying it was right, or that one should not vote for politicians that will do away with it, but in the mean time to get all spun up and start whining about it or using it as an excuse is silly.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

So by saying we benefitted from the blacks you mean everything we as whites have accomplished throughout history is because of our past treatments toward blacks. That doesnt make sence, i think this country would still be where it is today without the use of black people.

 

[rjl296]

It is reverse racism,

no such thing, its all racism

 

[anabolicmd]

So by saying we benefitted from the blacks you mean everything we as whites have accomplished throughout history is because of our past treatments toward blacks. That doesnt make sence, i think this country would still be where it is today without the use of black people.

Thats fine and dandy but thats not the official view of things.

 

[anabolicmd]

"Thats the spirit. Why complain about something that cant be changed?"

I am not the smartest guy around, but I think I may sense a little sarcasm in that post. I was not saying it was right, or that one should not vote for politicians that will do away with it, but in the mean time to get all spun up and start whining about it or using it as an excuse is silly.

I wasnt being sarcastic, sorry. I was seriously agreeing with you. Affirmative action/quotas/equity redistribution are all here to stay. Thats all Im saying. I just hope the slaver reparations bill isnt too steep.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Thats the spirit. Why complain about something that cant be changed?

Wow!!! That kind of mentality will get society far. "Why fight slavery? It's here and that's that." "Why oppose Jewish extermination? It doesn't affect me."

Change occurs only when people do not think like you.

 

[Robert Jan]

Poink you missed the whole poink of the thread. If whites are going to attone for the sins of racism perpetrated against the minorities, they must suffer from it themselves, and do it without whining or complaining. Then we will all be victims of racism and therefore we will finally be even (therefore equal) some day.

fuck that. I never practised racism. I`m fucking 17. im not gonna go to uni and not get selected before some minority guy who scored less than me on his tests.

 

[Anarchist]

Poink you missed the whole poink of the thread. If whites are going to attone for the sins of racism perpetrated against the minorities, they must suffer from it themselves, and do it without whining or complaining. Then we will all be victims of racism and therefore we will finally be even (therefore equal) some day.

this is without a doubt the most ignorant thing ive heard in awhile.

well ill tell you what, it obvious that if you want anything in this country, you have to whine and bitch and cry and stub your toe and fall on the floor and pitch a big fucking fit. thats te black way.

and ill tell you what else, since tis shit has passed, im going to discriminate against every black i can. im going to talk them down to supervisors, maybe spill dye on there clothes and shoes. spread rumors about them. in short, im going to do everything i can to make there life shit. legislate that, bastards.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Poink Im not disagreeing with you at all. Im just trying to explain why it is the way it is. White people today benefit from the racial discrimination of the past. So you have to give up a little and give it to minorities. You might not like it, but thats the way it is. White America is going along with this and I dont think you can change your mind now without starting a civil war.

Your explanation is pure acceptance of the guilt ridden rhetoric, not logical reasoning.

Your collectivist idea of "group rights", white vs. black, is the basis of this idiocy. Groups do not have rights, all rights are derived from individuals, and therefore the rights of one are not to be denied to grant "rights" to another, who differs in some criteria.

If your idea is true, then all sorts of violations of rights can be defended, for there is no rationale that man cannot fathom to benefit some at the expense of others. With this idea we could institute child limits on families, for some argue that our population is a threat to future generations. So to protect the "future", we can implement mandatory child limits on the "present".

Rights are for "we, the living", not for future or past entities. What was deprived of men in the past was deprived of them alone, not future generations. Why are only certain minority groups confered special priviledges, when it can be easily argued that many "groups" have been denied rights in the past?

 

[anabolicmd]

Your explanation is pure acceptance of the guilt ridden rhetoric, not logical reasoning.

Your collectivist idea of "group rights", white vs. black, is the basis of this idiocy.
If your idea is true, then all sorts of violations of rights can be defended, for there is no rationale that man cannot fathom to benefit some at the expense of others. With this idea we could institute child limits on families, for some argue that our population is a threat to future generations. So to protect the "future", we can implement mandatory child limits on the "present".

Its not my idea. A bunch of hippies thought it up in the sixties and now we are living with it. Im trying my best to accept it because it will not change. If whites try to take any privileges away from minorities it could start serious problems in society. Heck once whites are a mnority they better keep their mouths shut because once the minorities have the majority, the real payback will make affirmative action and quotas look like a picnic in the park. Im just trying to live my life in peace which means peacefully and calmly accepting the inevitable.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

I wasnt being sarcastic, sorry. I was seriously agreeing with you. Affirmative action/quotas/equity redistribution are all here to stay. Thats all Im saying. I just hope the slaver reparations bill isnt too steep.

Reparations to whom? All the foprmer slaves are dead.

 

[anabolicmd]

Wow!!! That kind of mentality will get society far. "Why fight slavery? It's here and that's that." "Why oppose Jewish extermination? It doesn't affect me."

The difference today is that no one feels bad for whites except a minority of whites themselves. Slaves and holocaust victims had the moral support of people all over the world, neither of those groups freed themselves. Whos going to ride in on a white horse and save whitey? When whites face their payback, no one will shed a tear, and no one will lift a hand to stop it.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Its not my idea. A bunch of hippies thought it up in the sixties and now we are living with it. Im trying my best to accept it because it will not change. If whites try to take any privileges away from minorities it could start serious problems in society. Heck once whites are a mnority they better keep their mouths shut because once the minorities have the majority, the real payback will make affirmative action and quotas look like a picnic in the park. Im just trying to live my life in peace which means peacefully and calmly accepting the inevitable.

Exactly we are digging our own grave by letting programs such as affirmaive action exist. Whites will never be seen as a minority no matter how much their populations dwindle. At the same time they will be treated second class to all these social programs meant to help all the non whites. Do you think the today minorities will give two shits for us once we are a minority and treated even more unfairly...nope. Thanks to the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons they'll be more angrier than ever when we try to stand up for our equal rights. This country is headed for a major race war and turning into shit fast.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

The difference today is that no one feels bad for whites except a minority of whites themselves. Slaves and holocaust victims had the moral support of people all over the world, neither of those groups freed themselves. Whos going to ride in on a white horse and save whitey? When whites face their payback, no one will shed a tear, and no one will lift a hand to stop it.

Exactly, which is why we need an end to all these programs.

 

[anabolicmd]

Exactly, which is why we need an end to all these programs.

We seem to lack the power to do so.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

We seem to lack the power to do so.

And it's only going to get worse.

 

[anabolicmd]

And it's only going to get worse.

Agreed. Thats why Im trying to get used to it. Seremity now...serenity now...

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Agreed. Thats why Im trying to get used to it. Seremity now...serenity now...

If someone was in your driveway stealing your car...would you sit back and just get used to the fact your now going to have to walk everywhere?

I dont agree with your thinking and I believe if all us whites were on the same page we could actually make a difference here.

 

[anabolicmd]

If someone was in your driveway stealing your car...would you sit back and just get used to the fact your now going to have to walk everywhere?

I dont agree with your thinking and I believe if all us whites were on the same page we could actually make a difference here.

I do hear you man, I just enjoy playing devils advocate in this type of scenario.

 

[DeepZenPill]

My family has been in this country shorter than most black families, so there is no way I should have to pay the price for slavery. That argument is just plain wrong and relies way too much on incorrect generalizations. Someone mentioned the success of many Asians without relying on such handouts.

At my college (an ivy league university) there are a ton of Asians, many of them first or second generation american citizens. Our school does not add any weight to those of Asian descent in the admissions process. They are very well represented at the school so extra admissions are not necessary. Now these students definitely face discrimination and injustices because they are a minority, but why are they exceedingly successful? Meanwhile the black population at the school is extremely underrepresentative of the population. Are those students really persecuted more strongly than Asians?

The issue of college admissions should not rely on race at all. If the colleges wanted to increase "diversity" and give financially challenged students a chance to succeed and better their life, they can easily do that. But this condition is not rooted in just race. This is a far more complicated issue that colleges refuse to acknowledge. Why is it that most of the minority students I know at school are better off financially than I am? It's because affirmative action as it stands is a joke. Elite colleges still mainly consist of kids coming from upper middle class families. So the schools let minority students who went to a suburban prep school in, and consider that their affirmative action. This is a total sham. The reason for affirmative action's existence is to benefit those who come from unfortunate circumstances.

I was lucky to be admitted to the school, but it really makes me angry when I think of so many of my friends who did not get into good schools, despite impeccable records and loads of activities/sports. Then I see the kid who is 1/16th black and comes from a family of doctors who was let in because of his minority background.

If the government really wanted to see true equality, they would give more money to the public schools system. Give inner-city students more opportunities and better education and there won't be a need for colleges to deal with the issue. Stop dumbing down our colleges and fix the problem where it starts.

 

[atlantabiolab]

If the government really wanted to see true equality, they would give more money to the public schools system. Give inner-city students more opportunities and better education and there won't be a need for colleges to deal with the issue. Stop dumbing down our colleges and fix the problem where it starts.

You were doing good until you made this statement. Inner city schools, as most public schools, are getting more money every year and the education is getting worse. Private schools and home schooled children are jogging past public school kids in grades and doing this at a fraction of the cost.

Why? Because they have well reasoned systems of education, as opposed to the public education system which seems to be more of a testing grounds for some of the most half-baked psycho-social programs contrived. Not to mention the fact that the teachers are hog-tied by the administration, parents, and the kids themselves.

School vouchers and more competition for the public school system is a small step in the right direction.

 

[p0ink]

more money? bush let ted kennedy write the education bill!! it cost more than 70 BILLION DOLLARS!

i swear, no money is ever enough for you liberals, because your answer to every problem is just to throw more money at it. who cares about the results.

 

[XBiker]

[...] White people today benefit from the racial discrimination of the past. So you have to give up a little and give it to minorities. You might not like it, but thats the way it is. White America is going along with this and I dont think you can change your mind now without starting a civil war.

That's YOUR opinon.

 

[Austin316]

yea well reverse racism is far far more prominent nowadays then racism from whites. In the last 2 years I have def come to realize this, hence I don;t hesitate to dish it back anymore when i encounter it

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Programs like affirmative action only piss off white people and divide the races even more.

 

[Anarchist]

Exactly we are digging our own grave by letting programs such as affirmaive action exist. Whites will never be seen as a minority no matter how much their populations dwindle. At the same time they will be treated second class to all these social programs meant to help all the non whites. Do you think the today minorities will give two shits for us once we are a minority and treated even more unfairly...nope. Thanks to the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons they'll be more angrier than ever when we try to stand up for our equal rights. This country is headed for a major race war and turning into shit fast.

a cleansing by fire seems a good choice. it really is te only way.

 

[Taps]

All you Republicans, conservatives, Bush voters, and Reagenphiles need to be honest with yourselves.

Just admit it. You're afraid the great white race will lose all it's power. I'm white -- and the thought of having to go though the shit I see minorites go though on a daily basis scares the shit out of me. I want whitey to stay in the pole position for a long, long time. God knows we've done such a great job so far.

 

[Hengst]

Poink you missed the whole poink of the thread. If whites are going to attone for the sins of racism perpetrated against the minorities, they must suffer from it themselves, and do it without whining or complaining. Then we will all be victims of racism and therefore we will finally be even (therefore equal) some day.

Are you for real? I certainly hope this post was sarcasm.

 

[Hengst]

I said this on another thread and I'll repeat it here.

All Affirmative Action has done is PROVE that minorities are NOT CAPABLE of competing with the white race on a level playing field.


Do you know why we do not remove ALL racial components and allow people to compete on merit? It's because minorities subconsciencely understand that they are incapable of performing at the same level as whites. They are angry that EVERY thing we use in our society is the result of the creativity, work ethic, culture and intelligence of the white race.

When the time comes when the white race is a minority in the US you can be assured that american society will devolve into a third world nightmare. Look at Zimbabwe and South Africa.

GRRRRRR.......... I'm angry now.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

I said this on another thread and I'll repeat it here.

All Affirmative Action has done is PROVE that minorities are NOT CAPABLE of competing with the white race on a level playing field.


Do you know why we do not remove ALL racial components and allow people to compete on merit? It's because minorities subconsciencely understand that they are incapable of performing at the same level as whites. They are angry that EVERY thing we use in our society is the result of the creativity, work ethic, culture and intelligence of the white race.

When the time comes when the white race is a minority in the US you can be assured that american society will devolve into a third world nightmare. Look at Zimbabwe and South Africa.

GRRRRRR.......... I'm angry now.

I agree...but even if the white man becomes a minority, it will only happen if we still give preference to non whites. Am I afraid of the whites loosing their so called power? Maybe, but i also dont want to see a society that we established destroyed by any monsters we create. Go watch the movie white mans burden, it is clearly a prediction of what will happen.

 

[joack]

Land of the free....... for real ?

I dont know? Try asking the Native Americans...