Dilemma

[JohnRambo]

I've started thinking of my next cycle, the things who are tempting the most is either

Orals: dbol/winny or dbol/anavar(ana are to expensive for my taste)

Or

Inject: Primobolan or Parabolan, one of this maybe stacked good with an oral one?

I think I will benefit the most from one of the injection-choices, but I still see myself as a newby in chemical bodybuilding. And I've been told that "fresh" guys like myself should stay away from parabolan.. Why is that?

I see injectable steroids as the cheaper and better choice, and a natural step for my to take. But I need some help from you chemical guru's before I decide.....

 

[DIVISION]

Orals: dbol/winny or dbol/anavar(ana are to expensive for my taste)

Or

Inject: Primobolan or Parabolan, one of this maybe stacked good with an oral one?

Even on the darkest night, Rambo's a thug for life.....

I think you need to do a Winny/ D-bol cycle and see how it works for you.

Injectible Winny, D-bol tabs.....

You don't want two 17AA orals on the same cycle.




DIV

 

[The Shadow]

Even on the darkest night, Rambo's a thug for life.....

I think you need to do a Winny/ D-bol cycle and see how it works for you.

Injectible Winny, D-bol tabs.....

You don't want two 17AA orals on the same cycle.




DIV

Winny is still 17aa - the benfits of oral vs inj arent that great

 

[JohnRambo]

Dbol/anavar is as expensive as it is stupid? Well thats actually good news, for my economy...

But, if I should make the step of starting injecting.. I would think Winny was a waste of pain... I would rather use something really good, such as the two other alternatives.
I'm a bit scared of the joint-pains caused by the winny, as my buddie vio has been out of the game for weeks now because of this....

 

[UA_Iron]

I've started thinking of my next cycle, the things who are tempting the most is either

Orals: dbol/winny or dbol/anavar(ana are to expensive for my taste)

Or

Inject: Primobolan or Parabolan, one of this maybe stacked good with an oral one?

I think I will benefit the most from one of the injection-choices, but I still see myself as a newby in chemical bodybuilding. And I've been told that "fresh" guys like myself should stay away from parabolan.. Why is that?

I see injectable steroids as the cheaper and better choice, and a natural step for my to take. But I need some help from you chemical guru's before I decide.....

parabolan...aka tren hexahydrobencylcarbonate has some harsh sides. Primo on the other hand does not have much sides at all, but unless you want to sell your car most people cannot afford a suitable primo cycle.

what are your goals?

Testosterone 300-500mg/week
EQ - 400-600mg/week
Dbol weeks 1-4
winstrol in your final 4 weeks.

unless of course this is your first cycle - then I'd go with test @ 500mg/week. Maybe some dbol in the first 4 weeks while running and aromatase inhibitor the whole time. PCT could be standard Nolvadex and HCG and/or clomid in there too.

 

[DIVISION]

Winny is still 17aa - the benfits of oral vs inj arent that great

Yes, but instead of running two 17AA orals, he'd be better of drinking/injecting the Winny.

Yes, it's significant, for those who want to spare their liver the abuse.



DIV

 

[The Shadow]

Yes, but instead of running two 17AA orals, he'd be better of drinking/injecting the Winny.

Yes, it's significant, for those who want to spare their liver the abuse.



DIV

DRINKING THE WINNY is the same as taking a WINNY tab.

 

[UA_Iron]

Yes, but instead of running two 17AA orals, he'd be better of drinking/injecting the Winny.

Yes, it's significant, for those who want to spare their liver the abuse.



DIV

saying that one way of ingestion is better than another and will not have the same sides is saying that the way in which it is processed is different. an injected 17AA will do the same as an oral 17AA

 

[The Shadow]

saying that one way of ingestion is better than another and will not have the same sides is saying that the way in which it is processed is different. an injected 17AA will do the same as an oral 17AA

exatcly my point as well as drinking it is THE SAME as taking a pill

 

[JohnRambo]

parabolan...aka tren hexahydrobencylcarbonate has some harsh sides. Primo on the other hand does not have much sides at all, but unless you want to sell your car most people cannot afford a suitable primo cycle.

what are your goals?

Testosterone 300-500mg/week
EQ - 400-600mg/week
Dbol weeks 1-4
winstrol in your final 4 weeks.

unless of course this is your first cycle - then I'd go with test @ 500mg/week. Maybe some dbol in the first 4 weeks while running and aromatase inhibitor the whole time. PCT could be standard Nolvadex and HCG and/or clomid in there too.

Not my first cycle, my goals are:

Wheight: 97kg(going downwards)

Closing up to summer the wish of getting ripped are comming up. But I'm afraid of getting belove 90kg to achiew this. I need mass, and wants to get even stronger.. Without gaining more water and fat than I have time to lose.

I find both primo and winstrol, especially primo. To be capable of helping me achieving these goals: hardness, mass and strength..

 

[DIVISION]

I find both primo and winstrol, especially primo. To be capable of helping me achieving these goals: hardness, mass and strength..

I just think Winstrol is a better choice, it's alot less expensive.


DIV

 

[The Shadow]

Consider:

Tren/Dbol
then
Tren/Winny



ldex for both

 

[Stacemranger]

Go for it, if you can afford it at 600mg/week.

 

[UA_Iron]

exatcly my point as well as drinking it is THE SAME as taking a pill

shadow, Allon and I are sick of your crap.













j/k dude, haha

 

[The Shadow]

shadow, Allon and I are sick of your crap.













j/k dude, haha

I thought you were his alter


LOL

 

[JohnRambo]

I'l check some prices anyway, winny and dbol is almost cheaper than creatine and protein-powder.
Tren is probably about the same as primo 20-30dollars/ml

 

[DIVISION]

I'l check some prices anyway, winny and dbol is almost cheaper than creatine and protein-powder.
Tren is probably about the same as primo 20-30dollars/ml

Exactly.

Winny and D-bol are cheap.

Creatine is a waste......Protein is not, you need protein powder.


DIV

 

[UA_Iron]

I thought you were his alter


LOL

haha, seriously?

I'd run test with your cycle bro, I know you dont want water retention but you dont want to deprive your body of testosterone and its functions in your body.

 

[JohnRambo]

haha, seriously?

I'd run test with your cycle bro, I know you dont want water retention but you dont want to deprive your body of testosterone and its functions in your body.

Thats exactly the reason of why I'm a bit sceptical to both dbol and test. And allso the reason why I was so keen on primo. (and allso why T3 never have been a option)

 

[JohnRambo]

I think I'm to young to fuck up my test-production, with that in mind whats the best choice?

 

[The Shadow]

Exactly.

Winny and D-bol are cheap.

Creatine is a waste......Protein is not, you need protein powder.


DIV

LMAO

Creatine is a waste??


Where did you get that?


Try an anavar/creatine pahse and tell me what you think

 

[UA_Iron]

LMAO

Creatine is a waste??


Where did you get that?


Try an anavar/creatine pahse and tell me what you think

go for the ethylated creatine

a site banned from this one has it for dirt cheap

and of course there always AnabolicFitness which has a superb product.

 

[JohnRambo]

LMAO

Creatine is a waste??


Where did you get that?


Try an anavar/creatine pahse and tell me what you think

It was only a price-comparison, I use 2lbs of proteinpowder a week and a bucket of creatine almost every month... I don't see none of those investments as a waste...

Your anavar/creatine-idea should be working good.. Vio has went through the whoule theori only days ago, and it really sounds reasonable..

 

[JohnRambo]

go for the ethylated creatine

a site banned from this one has it for dirt cheap

and of course there always AnabolicFitness which has a superb product.

Wish I lived in your country... CEE is rediciously expensive in the shops available in Norway...

 

[DIVISION]

LMAO

Creatine is a waste??

I don't like Anavar or Creatine......

Creatine: It's pathetic when supplements cost the same or more than AAS.

Anavar: I've already detailed that there are cheaper AAS that do the same and more.

Both a waste of money, money that could be spend on better products.



DIV

 

[UA_Iron]

Wish I lived in your country... CEE is rediciously expensive in the shops available in Norway...

ah I see your point.

you can get anavar for fairly cheap nowadays - nothing like dbol but the UG labs...

 

[The Shadow]

I don't like Anavar or Creatine......

Creatine: It's pathetic when supplements cost the same or more than AAS.

Anavar: I've already detailed that there are cheaper AAS that do the same and more.

Both a waste of money, money that could be spend on better products.



DIV

The fact that YOU dont like them has not one iota to do with their effectiveness



Creatine expensive??



ummm...no....

 

[DIVISION]

The fact that YOU dont like them has not one iota to do with their effectiveness

It's personal opinion like anything...

Creatine effective? compared to what?

Anavar effective? compared to what?

and at what price?

Risk vs. Reward.......

Neither are worth it in my opinion.....




DIV

 

[The Shadow]

It's personal opinion like anything...

Creatine effective? compared to what?

Anavar effective? compared to what?

and at what price?

Risk vs. Reward.......

Neither are worth it in my opinion.....




DIV

RISK??


huh???

Do you mean reward vs price??

 

[DIVISION]

RISK??


huh???

Do you mean reward vs price??

Yes, sorry, ShadowBro...

It's the same for me anyway......Risk vs. Reward.........Risk equates to price vs. effectiveness anyway.......

Same equation.



DIV

 

[JohnRambo]

Well guys after a long discussion the options is changed to:

1. dbol/winstrol
2. Tren(parabolan)/dbol and then tren/winstrol
3. Primo either alone or stacked with something..

In my view nr 1. is cheapest, number 3. is safest, but number 2. will probably turn out most effective of the three choices..

 

[DIVISION]

Well guys after a long discussion the options is changed to:

1. dbol/winstrol
2. Tren(parabolan)/dbol and then tren/winstrol
3. Primo either alone or stacked with something..

In my view nr 1. is cheapest, number 3. is safest, but number 2. will probably turn out most effective of the three choices..

#1 is cheapest and most reliable.

#2 is the most unpredictable with the most potential for gains and sides.....

#3 is safe, but won't give you much in terms of growth or strength.

You hit the nail on the head Rambo.....

If you are willing to risk the sides for the possibility of the gains, I'd go with #2. Myself, I just don't think enough research has been done on Tren in humans to really want to inject that shit in to my body. Remember, this shit is made for cattle who are about to be slaughtered......where sides don't come in to play.




DIV

 

[JohnRambo]

If nobody jumps in with an outstanding argument, I'l probably end up popping russian candy and drinking winny.. And my ass will still remain "unspoiled"...

Your sure I will find more joy in this than in primo, I know winstrol will pull the quality of the gains up some levels... But will I be able to keep most of it? LIke I imagine I would do on Primo....

 

[DIVISION]

If nobody jumps in with an outstanding argument, I'l probably end up popping russian candy and drinking winny.. And my ass will still remain "unspoiled"...

Your sure I will find more joy in this than in primo, I know winstrol will pull the quality of the gains up some levels... But will I be able to keep most of it? LIke I imagine I would do on Primo....

Eh Rambo......it's not my job or inclination to sway you one way or the other.....

I don't get paid for this. I'm just giving my opinion on it.



DIV

 

[JohnRambo]

Alright.. Thanks for all help so far...

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Well guys after a long discussion the options is changed to:

1. dbol/winstrol
2. Tren(parabolan)/dbol and then tren/winstrol
3. Primo either alone or stacked with something..

In my view nr 1. is cheapest, number 3. is safest, but number 2. will probably turn out most effective of the three choices..

I don't want to cofuse the issue further with abother option, but have you looked into Turanibol? instead of your #1 option, you might be able to take just T-bol. T-bol less sides than Dbol and no joint pain.

Good Luck,


Bluesman

 

[JohnRambo]

I don't want to cofuse the issue further with abother option, but have you looked into Turanibol? instead of your #1 option, you might be able to take just T-bol. T-bol less sides than Dbol and no joint pain.

Good Luck,


Bluesman

Just did a Turanabol cycle...

Gained weight without bloat, but didn't get as much strength out of it as I would have hoped..