diet question, stats inside:

[SteelWeaver]

Browsing, not stalking. Just call me Miss Sharp Eyes. LOL

Or not.

Mmm, I guess you're reading more exactly than I am. Are you counting the sweet potato and beans she said she was eating, but hadn't counted, as adding up to the ~5% difference between the 40% she originally posted and the over 40-45% you are referring to?

I eat tons of fibrous veggies, but I don't count them all - only the green pepper, spinach and broccoli. So, technically, I'm eating exactly or just under 40% CHO, and you've said you can get yourself and others shredded at even 45% (with rather low fat, which has some significance(?)). If I counted the fibrous veggies, I'm sure it would be a few percentage points higher. You said not to count the fibrous veggies until the final week. Are fibrous veggies included in that 45%?

The fat question is, I guess, rather common knowledge/sense by now, but any special reason why vegetarians in particular should keep it low?

 

[MS]

Since I don't know how much of the beans, or what size sweet potatos she is eating, plus as I said I can't access her fitday diary so I don't know how many of her carbs are fibrous versus starchy, I assumed her carb intake was above 40-45% of her calories.

The vego/fat comment was more to say that higher fat diets are not necessary (for anyone), but are usually not sensible for vegos. Above your EFA requirements, there is no need for fat in your diet. As a bodybuilder you need carbs and protein. As a vego you would have to go out of your way to add the extra fat, and these calories would be at the expense more protein (which I believe vegos have a higher requirement for), so it's better, IMHO to sacrifice the fat to get those protein cals. It's just a personal opinion/observation, and was said without even knowing if strongchick is a vego (I believe, in fact, she is not). If you want to try eating CKD without animal products in your diet, go ahead. I believe MrX posted up something called a fat fast once. It was nothing but protein powder and flaxseed oil for a month!!

For you SteelWeaver, I said you shouldn't worry about the fibrous veggies at this stage in your diet. Later on I may ask you to limit them. When we fine tune things, we will get more specific about how many starchy carbs you can have. It will be a lot less than 45% of your total calories (Closer to 30%), and the rest will be veggies.

 

[strongchick]

I cut out the beans, and only eat one potato before a heavy workout.

Only other starchy carbs are brown rice and oatmeal. My carbs are down to around 35%, fat 20%, protein 45%.

Thanks for the input.

 

[SteelWeaver]

For you SteelWeaver, I said you shouldn't worry about the fibrous veggies at this stage in your diet. Later on I may ask you to limit them. When we fine tune things, we will get more specific about how many starchy carbs you can have. It will be a lot less than 45% of your total calories (Closer to 30%), and the rest will be veggies.

You. Are. An. Angel.!!!


About the fibrous veggies - just being my usual paranoid self and triple checking things - I DID hear you the first time.