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did i call it or what? Y2J !!
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Big Brother Val
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I don't think he deserves it, personally.
I like him, don't get me wrong...
But to make history by being the first ever undisputed heavyweight champion of the world... I would have said give it to Stone Cold.
But I also made the call that they'd give it to Jericho. He's the only one of the 4 that hasn't proven that he can run with the ball yet. So this is his chance. If he drops the ball... he's done. If he carries it well... then he'll be around for many, many years to come.
What a disappoining PPV. I'm REALLY glad I didn't get it. Booker T as the big shocker of the evening? Who gives a rats ass?
I know it was last minute to keep HHH out... but come on... you know how many people are disappointed now? Now he may come back tonight... but most likely it won't be until January.
I like him, don't get me wrong...
But to make history by being the first ever undisputed heavyweight champion of the world... I would have said give it to Stone Cold.
But I also made the call that they'd give it to Jericho. He's the only one of the 4 that hasn't proven that he can run with the ball yet. So this is his chance. If he drops the ball... he's done. If he carries it well... then he'll be around for many, many years to come.
What a disappoining PPV. I'm REALLY glad I didn't get it. Booker T as the big shocker of the evening? Who gives a rats ass?
I know it was last minute to keep HHH out... but come on... you know how many people are disappointed now? Now he may come back tonight... but most likely it won't be until January.
the nature boy
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with jericho being a heel, I don't see how long he can keep the title for.
P.S. Why can't they let a heel win without cheating for once? Every now and then they should do that. Makes it more realistic. Not that anything about the WWF is realistic.
P.S. Why can't they let a heel win without cheating for once? Every now and then they should do that. Makes it more realistic. Not that anything about the WWF is realistic.
Big Brother Val
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Nature Boy... I agree. HHH beat Foley clean... and sometimes on the lower card, Christian will win clean. Taker beat RVD clean. But they never let the main event bad guy win. Probably because they can't allow the lead faces to look weaker.\
I personally think it'd make it more exciting... if you REALLY didn't know who would win. Not based off of cheating, but off of who was having the "better day".
I personally think it'd make it more exciting... if you REALLY didn't know who would win. Not based off of cheating, but off of who was having the "better day".
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saint808 said:
Yep. But I called it B-4 you
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Big Brother Val said:
You know Hogan would have never let that shit happen? I used to yell at the TV, "JUST LOSE ONE TIME HOGAN YOU SUMBITCH!!!" Never happened.
I'll make an analogy with college basketball. Duke is pretty much the best team every year. Yet they do lose games every now and then. But they always wind up national champions.
Yeah bad guys should still cheat every now and then, that's why they're heels. But make the faces lose OCCASIONALLY, like say the rock is suffering from the flu or something. Or he just had a bad night. Oh well.
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omg, you guys have hit on one of THE top things that I hate about wrestling. Other than HHH, I can't think of any heel who ever won clean, or against non-jobbers I should say. I really think that's one reason why so many people (such as myself) are marks for him and why he's so over.
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Madd Hatter said:
Good call!
Benoit would be a good clean heel as well.
Big Brother Val
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Madd Hatter said:
I agree... good call. HHH is believably tough... but you still figure he's gonna cheat to win the "BIG ONE". If he's not fighting the lead face, I pretty much figure he'll win... but I don't think they'd give even HHH a "clean" win over Austin or Rock. That's what makes them the good guys. The champions.
I remember when the Undertaker used to be that way. He could pretty much beat anyone... you loved to hate him so much, he became an incredible face. Much like HHH will... he has no choice. You can't help but love the guy.
Besides... when's the last time you saw a bad guy win at the end of a movie?
The good guys win in the end. I don't mind it in a way... because all to often in real life, the bad guys never pay for what they do.
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saint808 said:
Now, Saint... THAT is the part I hate.
The SECOND you turn heel you can no longer win a match. It's not even an overnight thing. It's instantaneous. It's like you turn in you "able to kick ass" card. When Austin beat the Rock at Wrestlemania, he suddenly couldn't beat up a 3rd grader, when the night before he could have beat anyone on the planet.
If Austin goes heel, he should kick just as much ass... just fight dirtier... maybe cheat now and again... tell the fans to piss off... not because he has to... just because he's "eeeeeeeeeeviiiiillllll".
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Big Brother Val said:
Yeah exactly. The same thing happened to "Hollywood" Hogan when he turned heel. All of a sudden he never got into that spastic Hulkamania running wild BS that I used to loathe.
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The Nature Boy said:
Used to loathe?!?!?!
YOU BLASPHEMOUS SONOFABITCH!!!
You can't say that when you were a young kid, that you didn't think Hogan kicked ass. COME ON NOW!!
He's the reason we still have wrestling.
He's the reason there IS a WWF.
He's the reason I wanted to wrestle, and lift weights, and train, say my prayers, eat my vitamins, and believe in myself! (sorry, couldn't resist)
Sure... he's egotistic and selfish... but damnit HE MADE THIS GAME!!
Sure... if you watch his matches now, you pretty much fast forward it until the bad guy hits Hogan with his finisher, then Hogan does the "Hulking-up" bit, hits the boot or body slam followed by the big leg drop.
Sure... he only knew about 7 moves... and 6 of those weren't done well... but how many other wrestlers have put over 90,000 asses in one stadium? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Repent... and thou shalt be saved.
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Big Brother Val said:
When I first got into wrestling, it was shortly after Hogan beat one of my favorite heels, the Iron Sheik (a very timely heel BTW). Ok sure, he broke out of the camel clutch. Fine.
And sure for a year or two I could handle the same thing over and over. Heel kicks hogans ass for 10 minutes. Then at some point, the guy punches Hogan in the face. No effect. Punches him again. No effect, actaully it fires up Hogan. Punches him again. Oh, Hogan is really shaking now, and breathing very heavily, his cheeks getting all puffy. Now by this time the heel doesn't know what to do, he's even looking towards the crowd for advice. Punches Hogan again. Now Hogan is waiving his finger at the heel, getting even more worked up. Heel tries to punch hogan again, hogan blocks it... you know the rest. Hulkamania running wild, leg drop. Pin.
THAT SHIT GOT SOOOOOOOOOOOO OLD.
Then, one day I flipped though the channels and lo and behold. There's another wrestling program. I was skeptical. They looked like they were performing in a high school auditorium. The crowds were weak, the locations were in the south (nothing wrong with that), and the wrestlers were scrawny compared to WWF.
But then I saw their champion. He wore supposed Armani suits. He came to the ring with a woman on each arm wearing a robe with "diamonds" on it. He did some amusing strut. He talked the most shit that I've ever seen anyone talk.... and he did it well. He had the most signature lines I've ever heard. He had the knife hand chop, that you could hear across the rafters. He had some interesting move where he'd get thrown into the ring corner and he'd pull some strange flip and wind up outside the apron. He'd fall on his face like nobody else could. He cheated. He wore those cheesy dark rimmed aviator glasses and he seemed to always have a bandage on top of his eyebrow. He was the guy people loved to hate. He was the master of the figure 4, and leader of the four horseman. THAT MAN IS THE NATURE BOY, RIC FLAIR!!!
The greatest wrestler of all time.
Sure Hogan put asses in the seats, but that was also a result of Vince McMahons skills as a promoter. But you and I know how the greatest champion of all time is. That's Ric Flair (the 60 minute man, and the dirtiest player in the game)
Ok, I'm off my fake soapbox.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
sorry for the long read.
The Nature Boy said:
Nuff said. There was finally a champion that was custom made from head to toe. He could style and profile and make all the women in the city cry themselves to sleep that night. He wore rolex watches, gucci shoes that he made a habit of taking off and tossing into the crowd. He had the gettin jiggy with it kind of strut that he would hit on cue. Not only was he the dirtiest player in the game, he was also one of the greatest pyscological masters as well, knowing exactly what to do or say to really get the fans behind him or against him. He flew in Lear Jets and rode in Limos, drank Dom Perignom after matches and he was.... WHOOO.. Mean Gene, I said by God he was.... WHOOO.. he was the underdog in every one of his matches. but ya know what? He would walk that aisle, climb in that ring and he would make that guy standing in the other corner, be it Sting, Luger, Hogan, Garvin, Steamboat, Race, Rhodes, Windham or that whipping boy Morton, he would make that man sweat, he would make that man bleed and he would make that man pay the price for even daring to think he was deserving of a shot at HIS world title. He made it clear that Space Mountain was going to be open all night long and the lines were already out the door. How many times have you ever seen Austin, Jericho, HHH strip down to their boxer shorts in the ring and drop an elbow on an imaginary opponent? It will never happen. Diamonds are forever and so is Ric Flair.
WHOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Big Brother Val
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The Nature Boy said:
Granted... Flair is a legend. A true champion. A horseman.
BUT... Vince McMahon would have gone bankrupt around the time of WM2 if it wasn't for Hogan... sure... Vince was an advertising machine, but without a good product to advertise, it wouldn't mean shit.
I mean... even when Hogan left the WWF to the WCW what happened? Next thing you know, the nWo is runnin' around with who? HOGAN. They pull ahead in the ratings against who? The WWF. The advertising giant. At this point, Vince was powerless. Everyone wanted to see what Hogan would do next.
I'll never take anything away from Flair. His emotion, charisma, and believability. No one can put forth the emotion like flair. BUT... when you talk about being repetative... Flair was very much so as well.
How many matches did he do without doing his upside down flip in the turnbuckle thing? How many times was he gorilla pressed? How many times was he thrown off the top rope when he climbed it to do a move?
That's what wrestling is. The same guys... doing the same thing. Rock, Austin, Jericho... they all do pretty much the same thing every match. Their move aresenals stay the same. They just change up the order.
Granted... Hogan would NEVER survive in today's wrestling scene. He'd be laughed off the stage. But without Hogan... none of our favorites would be around today. And that is fact.
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Kryp2o said:
I don't think he'll hold it for long. They're using this as a stepping stone for him. Showing he's a "legit" contender.
There's no way he can keep it away from HHH, Stone Cold, Rock, and the soon to be arriving Steiner. No way in hell.
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gymtime said:
It would be a "passing of the torch" if Jericho were to beat Austin clean for the title. He has to take the belt from the man, not beat him to it, to pass the torch.
Austin's not done yet. If he passes it to anyone, it sure as shit better be HHH.
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Anal AssPlorer said:
All this coming from a guy with an asshole in his avatar.
I rest my case.
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gymtime said:
Absolutely. He'll have to hold on to it until at least the next PPV. As you said, if he lost it tonight, or even 2 weeks from now, he'd look like a paper champion, and it would hurt his status.
That's why Undertaker beat RVD clean last night. It does nothing to harm RVD's status, as he's wrestling an icon in the business... but for Undertaker to lose his first big match after becomming heel, it would wipe out his legitimacy as a heel...
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Big Brother Val said:
You're right about hogan. He is the most famous wrestler ever, but in my mind not the greatest. Hogan did put wrestling on the map. I just didn't like him.
But all those moves you mentioned about Flair were of him getting his ass kicked. Nobody put people over more than Flair. How many guys had their own signature "getting your ass kicked" moves? Hell, the man had his tights pulled off more times than anyone. Plus he liked to call "time out" whenever he got his ass kicked too, which cracked me up. Every time he got on the top rope you know he'd tossed. But it was funny.
The only time I recall hogan losing was when there were two Earl Hebner referees. Other than that I don't recall (although I know he lost a couple of times). Flair lost his belt a number of times, to me that was more realistic. With Hogan you always knew the outcome, even if it was against heels that were supposedly unbeatable.
I'm just a Flair fan. Physically not nearly as impressive as Hogan, but other than that, I thought he was better. Just my opinion, as well as assplorers. Probably everybody thinks othewise. I guess I probably tend to like heels or guys that were not totally goodie-goodie (like Jake Roberts). Hogan was a goodie goodie. Plus he was responsible for Hill Billy Jim, Uncle Elmer, and Tugboat. Hogan can never be forgiven for those crimes.
Let me close with this, when someone gives a knife hand chop, what do you hear the crowd yell? Whooooooooooooooooooooo!
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The Nature Boy said:
You're right about hogan. He is the most famous wrestler ever, but in my mind not the greatest. Hogan did put wrestling on the map. I just didn't like him.
But all those moves you mentioned about Flair were of him getting his ass kicked. Nobody put people over more than Flair. How many guys had their own signature "getting your ass kicked" moves? Hell, the man had his tights pulled off more times than anyone. Plus he liked to call "time out" whenever he got his ass kicked too, which cracked me up. Every time he got on the top rope you know he'd tossed. But it was funny.
The only time I recall hogan losing was when there were two Earl Hebner referees. Other than that I don't recall (although I know he lost a couple of times). Flair lost his belt a number of times, to me that was more realistic. With Hogan you always knew the outcome, even if it was against heels that were supposedly unbeatable.
I'm just a Flair fan. Physically not nearly as impressive as Hogan, but other than that, I thought he was better. Just my opinion, as well as assplorers. Probably everybody thinks othewise. I guess I probably tend to like heels or guys that were not totally goodie-goodie (like Jake Roberts). Hogan was a goodie goodie. Plus he was responsible for Hill Billy Jim, Uncle Elmer, and Tugboat. Hogan can never be forgiven for those crimes.
Let me close with this, when someone gives a knife hand chop, what do you hear the crowd yell? Whooooooooooooooooooooo!
I think most real wrestling fans would have to respect Flair more than Hogan. Hogan is the epitome of style over substance. But, this is wrestling. Style outweighs substance more often than not.
Here's a question, would Hogan have been as famous on his arrival in the WWF if he had not just appeared in Rocky 3?
Big Brother Val
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The Nature Boy said:
You're right about hogan. He is the most famous wrestler ever, but in my mind not the greatest. Hogan did put wrestling on the map. I just didn't like him.
But all those moves you mentioned about Flair were of him getting his ass kicked. Nobody put people over more than Flair. How many guys had their own signature "getting your ass kicked" moves? Hell, the man had his tights pulled off more times than anyone. Plus he liked to call "time out" whenever he got his ass kicked too, which cracked me up. Every time he got on the top rope you know he'd tossed. But it was funny.
The only time I recall hogan losing was when there were two Earl Hebner referees. Other than that I don't recall (although I know he lost a couple of times). Flair lost his belt a number of times, to me that was more realistic. With Hogan you always knew the outcome, even if it was against heels that were supposedly unbeatable.
I'm just a Flair fan. Physically not nearly as impressive as Hogan, but other than that, I thought he was better. Just my opinion, as well as assplorers. Probably everybody thinks othewise. I guess I probably tend to like heels or guys that were not totally goodie-goodie (like Jake Roberts). Hogan was a goodie goodie. Plus he was responsible for Hill Billy Jim, Uncle Elmer, and Tugboat. Hogan can never be forgiven for those crimes.
Let me close with this, when someone gives a knife hand chop, what do you hear the crowd yell? Whooooooooooooooooooooo!
I'm glad Flair is in the WWF now. I would love to see Hogan come back in a NON WRESTLING ROLE as well. Maybe to get tangled up a little bit here and there like Vince does. But just to be an on-air personality.
Both of them bring such an element with them.
Sure wrestling is a bigger business now. Sure it's flashier, more entertaining... larger than life stars who pull INCREDIBLE stunts to entertain... but there's just something about the classics.
You're right... no one will EVER "walk that aisle" like the Nature Boy. He'd come out in his kick ass robe... do his little turn with his arms held out... and walk to that ring with such incredible confidence. You just couldn't turn away from a Ric Flair match. He has a prestige about him... an arrogance that you just love to watch. The man is incredible.
I'm still partial to Hogan... as he was my childhood hero... he's still my favorite today. No one will ever capture my imagination like Hogan did... no one will ever seem larger than life to me like Hogan did... No one will be a better role model like Hogan's character was...
I'd much rather my kids watch Hogan that Stone Cold who flips people off, says "ass" every other word, and then drinks a shitload of beer.
I personally find him very entertaining... but wouldn't let my kids watch it until they were older.
I agree... Hogan was a goodie goodie... but it was good for me growing up... sounds corny, but I actually based a lot of my values on the man. How fucked up is that
Great debate, my friend.
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gymtime said:
I think his appearance as Thunderlips helped a little. Just like having Mr T appear at Wrestlemania helped things out too. But Hogan was destined to be great, as the WWF grew, so did he. He was the centerpiece of the WWF. Along with Barry Horowitz.
Big Brother Val
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gymtime said:
Hogan's first characters were not great.
Golden Machine, Terry "the Hulk" Boulder... I mean come on. Rocky 3 was good for the man, I agree.
I truly believe he would have caught on just as well. Hogan was an idea... something to get behind... something to believe in. He wasn't a great wrestler. He was simply an icon that fans could believe in. He played the part of the ultimate hero. It was the first time a character was brought to life like that, that just wasn't a man on a television screen. You could watch him in real life... He seemed like a real person.
That's why I loved him. As did millions of others. I really believed he was what you saw... not just a character... an actual hero.
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The Nature Boy said:
Barry Horrowitz was great... but Iron Mike Sharp was better. You know damn well Horrowitz would be "lookin' at the lights" when Iron Mike pulled that "foreign object" from his tights, and put it in his arm band, and delivered that crippling blow.
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Big Brother Val said:
I'm still partial to Hogan... as he was my childhood hero... he's still my favorite today. No one will ever capture my imagination like Hogan did... no one will ever seem larger than life to me like Hogan did... No one will be a better role model like Hogan's character was...
I'd much rather my kids watch Hogan that Stone Cold who flips people off, says "ass" every other word, and then drinks a shitload of beer.
I personally find him very entertaining... but wouldn't let my kids watch it until they were older.
I agree... Hogan was a goodie goodie... but it was good for me growing up... sounds corny, but I actually based a lot of my values on the man. How fucked up is that
Great debate, my friend.
Now I think this point is more important than any of the ones we've made. Hogan was the total role model, maybe that's why he was so famous. And he really pushed that role model thing. Notice he always said "My little Hulkamaniacs", he was totally good for kids to watch. Plus he always won which kind of told kids that if you do good in life you get rewarded. So I can say that's a good thing in that regard. Right now there are no role models in wrestling, I personally don't care. But it ain't for kids anymore.
Excellent debate Val. Too bad FD ain't here.
I was there at Vengence last night.. damn, that show ended in a clusterfuck. I think the crowd was pretty stoked that Y2J beat the Rock (heard a bunch of Rocky Sucks and Die, Rocky, Die chants), but they were dumbfounded when he beat Austin. Everyone stayed in their seats, well after the Titantron went dark and the announcers left, cause freaking HHH never appeared.
The show was pretty bad ass as a whole (except the Women's match.. ugh), but I think EVERYONE expected HHH to be there, so it was a letdown at the end.
The show was pretty bad ass as a whole (except the Women's match.. ugh), but I think EVERYONE expected HHH to be there, so it was a letdown at the end.
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saint808 said:
Truth. Hogan was the only man back then who looked like he did. Then preaching about training and taking your vitamins all the time... that's literally what jumpstarted me into wanting to be a big "muscleman". I wanted to be just like that.
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The Nature Boy said:
Now I think this point is more important than any of the ones we've made. Hogan was the total role model, maybe that's why he was so famous. And he really pushed that role model thing. Notice he always said "My little Hulkamaniacs", he was totally good for kids to watch. Plus he always won which kind of told kids that if you do good in life you get rewarded. So I can say that's a good thing in that regard. Right now there are no role models in wrestling, I personally don't care. But it ain't for kids anymore.
Excellent debate Val. Too bad FD ain't here.
I agree it's not for kids anymore, which in a way is a loss. The new XWF promotion is supposed to have more of a kid-friendly style, with a lot of familiar faces. Sure... to us it'd probably be pretty boring... but that's something I could take my kids to.
Have you ever seen "Hitman Hart Wrestling with Shadows" The documentary? He makes a great point about the direction of wrestling in that show.
I miss the classics, man.
And I also agree that FD would have made a kick ass addition to this discussion.
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J-DAM said:
I'm glad I didn't get that PPV.
It was a last minute decision to not use HHH. And from what I know it was primarily his call. He's not medically released to wrestle until January, and he said himself he'll have a big role in the Royal Rumble, but guarantees he'll be on television before then.
It's too bad, because the advertisements REALLY pointed out that he would be there. I think that's pretty much why everyone got the PPV in the first place.
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Anal AssPlorer said:
funny visual.
did you watch raw tonight?
I think Raw is war was one of the best we have seen since a long time. The main event was the undisputed champ Chris Jericho against Austin. The match was really good and the wwf made the right call to help Jericho get some credibility. He is young and will rise with time. I think it's just the begining. Jericho won't last long but at least he will be remembered as a champion and not a fluke. His matches are solid and he is a good heel. I think Jericho isn't made for main event matches but intercontinental matches. But the WWF doesn't have a lot of main eventers right now; if Chris wouldn't be the champ, we would be all tired of getting always the same matches! I think the WWF is waiting until wrestlemania to give us what we want: a real good main event featuring the biggest two superstars in the buisness. However, I hope the WWF won't make the mistake of making a four way match at wrestlemania as the main event. Who wants to see Angle or Van dam or Jericho in the main event. Those guys should reenforce the intercontinental title race wich is very weak since the last couple of years. Edge is the IC champ and has no competition; bring him some quality wrestler. I can't wait to see Benoit return. There is only three or maybe four main eventers in the WWF : Triple H, the Rock and Austin and maybe the undertaker because he is a heel. What do you guys think about that!?!
I think Raw is war was one of the best we have seen since a long time. The main event was the undisputed champ Chris Jericho against Austin. The match was really good and the wwf made the right call to help Jericho get some credibility. He is young and will rise with time. I think it's just the begining. Jericho won't last long but at least he will be remembered as a champion and not a fluke. His matches are solid and he is a good heel. I think Jericho isn't made for main event matches but intercontinental matches. But the WWF doesn't have a lot of main eventers right now; if Chris wouldn't be the champ, we would be all tired of getting always the same matches! I think the WWF is waiting until wrestlemania to give us what we want: a real good main event featuring the biggest two superstars in the buisness. However, I hope the WWF won't make the mistake of making a four way match at wrestlemania as the main event. Who wants to see Angle or Van dam or Jericho in the main event. Those guys should reenforce the intercontinental title race wich is very weak since the last couple of years. Edge is the IC champ and has no competition; bring him some quality wrestler. I can't wait to see Benoit return. There is only three or maybe four main eventers in the WWF : Triple H, the Rock and Austin and maybe the undertaker because he is a heel. What do you guys think about that!?!
Big Brother Val
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If Jericho did lose it to Austin, then he wouldn't be believable, and then giving him the title would have been useless.
He should keep it for a while. Who knows, they may even have him fight the Rock and beat him again, just to solidify his win.
I doubt he'll be champion by time Wrestlemania comes. The WWF doesn't keep a champion very long anymore. BUt I expect Jericho to have it until the Royal Rumble, unless HHH causes him to lose it before then.
He should keep it for a while. Who knows, they may even have him fight the Rock and beat him again, just to solidify his win.
I doubt he'll be champion by time Wrestlemania comes. The WWF doesn't keep a champion very long anymore. BUt I expect Jericho to have it until the Royal Rumble, unless HHH causes him to lose it before then.
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A great angle would be:
Edge and Jeff Hardy vs. Christian and Matt Hardy.
Edge and Jeff Hardy vs. Christian and Matt Hardy.
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Cornholio said:
agreed, I was just thinking that last night. and somehow they could make Lita die, or at least have her head cut off and keep her killer body.
P.S. That ending sucked last night. Just have one of them win already, fuck the cheating bullshit. And how many times did Y2J come close to winning, only for SCSA all of a sudden come to and pull Y2J by his boots. I need to write a letter to someone.
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I'm waiting for the Taker and this respect bullshit to explode all over Y2J. Seems like a natural story line.
Big Brother Val
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Cornholio said:
I said the same thing. You KNOW it will come to that. How could it not?
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The Nature Boy said:
agreed, I was just thinking that last night. and somehow they could make Lita die, or at least have her head cut off and keep her killer body.
P.S. That ending sucked last night. Just have one of them win already, fuck the cheating bullshit. And how many times did Y2J come close to winning, only for SCSA all of a sudden come to and pull Y2J by his boots. I need to write a letter to someone.
Yes.... Lita sucks.
They couldn't have had a different ending. The match was simply to make Y2J more solid. I really won't be surprised if he beats the Rock again soon. With help, of course. I'm sure that's when HHH will come in... he was feuding with Jericho when he was injured, remember?
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What did you two guys think of the HHH promo? WWF is real slick. That promo was the highlight of the whole damn show.
Also Vince McMahon is a pretty damn funny guy. His facial expressions are great.
Also Vince McMahon is a pretty damn funny guy. His facial expressions are great.
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The Nature Boy said:
HHH is going to cause a HUGE rise in the ratings when he comes back. The WWF puts together some damn KICK ASS videos. Like the Steve Austin one to "My Sacrifice" That one also kicks major ass. I want to get 'em all on tape. They fuckin' rock.
And yes... Vince is good on camera... even though his faces are overexaggerated... they're still believable somehow. The man knows how to work the crowd, that's for sure.
But so does Stephanie. I hate to say it... but she's DAMN GOOD at being annoying.
So what's your call, Nature Boy? When are Flair and Vince gonna tangle it up? Wrestlemania?
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Big Brother Val said:
Steph is pretty good. She has a very expressive face, plus I think she's hot. But she has an annoying voice, but I think she does that on purpose.
As for Flair and Vince. I think a confrontation is totally where they're going. But I'm REALLY curious to see what Flair's physique is going to look like. I wonder if he's now taking what Vince is taking, because Vince looks pretty damn good. A little GH and Anavar can't hurt none.
