Dianabol as a Supplement!

[Throw2Far]

I have heard by taking 5-10mg Dianabol upon rising, you are merely increasing the height of your body's natural testosterone spike in the eyes of your endocrine system. In other words, your body cannot tell the difference between a morning endogenous testosterone spike and one aided by 5mg Dianabol. Does anyone have experience with this and if so what % suppression did it cause?

 

[swordfish151]

I have heard by taking 5-10mg Dianabol upon rising, you are merely increasing the height of your body's natural testosterone spike in the eyes of your endocrine system. In other words, your body cannot tell the difference between a morning endogenous testosterone spike and one aided by 5mg Dianabol. Does anyone have experience with this and if so what % suppression did it cause?

how long would you be taking the dbol? are you talking about a continual dbol cycle..

 

[Throw2Far]

I would definitely go on and off, maybe 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, if it causes very minimal suppression. Time on/off would be contingent on Liver Function/Test Levels.

 

[ryan04]

I've heard using dbol as a bridge in that manner. Bump for answers.

 

[crunkjuice]

Ive heard of it but I dont personally believe it... I have not seen scientific evidence that this does not surpress your HTPA and in time would probably completely surpress it... and even tho 5 or 10mg of dbol will do something for you, you might as well be growing alot if your going to be surpressed anyway. just my 2 cents

 

[macrophage69alpha]

dianabol is not what you have to worry about with respect to suppression, its the estrogenic metabolites of dianabol. The half lives of which are not well known.

 

[LVTitan]

what he said...

 

[LT3]

also considering the fact that you're body makes 5-7mgs of test per day. i doubt it would make a big difference, but i've never tried what you're doing so i cant speak from experience. the way i see it though is the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

 

[boops]

hey bro
since there really is no "exact science" to what we do in regards to AAS and the amounts we use and how it all reacts to each person i would have to say give it a try and see what happnes....it cant hurt per sey with the worst i would imagine being elevated liver numbers as well as possible shitty lipid profile and or being shut down... all of which can be fixed by simply going off and some sort of PCT........peace

 

[blut wump]

The idea behind it is that you take it first thing in the morning and that it is minimally suppressive and adds to your natty test spike. It's reckoned that 10mg taken in this way will decay sufficiently not to shut you down and the main concern is the ongoing liver issue. 10mg is reckoned to increase your protein synthesis by around 500%. The cycle is reputedly possibly run for around 9 weeks and known as the 10/60 or 60/10.

I've searched on Google two or three times but have found little on it. I can't even recall where I first heard of it.

 

[karachi183]

old school theory which imo can't hurt!

 

[Throw2Far]

Have any vets had blood samples done while on 5-10mg daily ?

 

[Throw2Far]

dianabol is not what you have to worry about with respect to suppression, its the estrogenic metabolites of dianabol. The half lives of which are not well known.

If the estrogenic metabolites are the "cause" of the suppression, then why does Winstrol which does not convert to estrogen cause suppression.

 

[OMEGA]

dianabol is not what you have to worry about with respect to suppression, its the estrogenic metabolites of dianabol. The half lives of which are not well known.

then one could run 1 mg of Arimadex or ATD in conjunction with the Dianabol to offset the Estrogen and also aid in even more of a rise in Endogenous test Levels
the Dianabol AM theory could work do to its short half life.

 

[swordfish151]

at that low of a dose say no more then 5-15mgs of dbol a day.. WOULD it be necessary to run a-dex along with it??

 

[OMEGA]

well Adex can be run anyway , say post cycle or while off to supress E and increase Test
it puts you body in the High end or Max end of what your body could produce naturally.

 

[blut wump]

Both androgen and oestrogen receptors can affect suppression. As microphage69alpha points out, the oestrogen metabolites can have a suppressive effect and may well last longer than the positive effect you get from the Dbol. An anti-e might counter this side of any suppression. Does anyone have thoughts on 10mg Dbol with 25 or 50mg Proviron as a 'supplement' stack?

I'll be astonished if we can find anyone who has done bloodwork before and after an extended 10mg Dbol cycle.

I think another early-morning cycle comparable with the Dbol one was Oral TBol at 10 or 20mg. Since aromatization isn't an issue with OT, this might be a preferable idea as a 'supplement'. I guess you could extend this idea out to winny or var.

 

[paridhm]

well Adex can be run anyway , say post cycle or while off to supress E and increase Test
it puts you body in the High end or Max end of what your body could produce naturally.

What dosage would you run in this fashion? What would your lipid profile look like?

 

[Quiltie]

I can't believe the old "D-Bol as a bridge" thing is coming up again! I'm positive that it is proven that using Dianabol on a daily basis has two effects:
1. It aromatizes heavily, which will increase your Estrogen levels. You would therefore need to run Nolva, Arimidex, or something to control that.
2. It's fairly hepatoxic, which means that it causes damage to the liver. I would imagine that after a few months of any serious cycle involving it, you would start to experience some serious health issues- some that might be pretty permanent. Doctors pass out drugs all the time that are liver-toxic, but the trick is that the additionally monitor the livers functions through frequent blood tests.

I wouldn't mess around with it too much, maybe use it at the beginning of a big cycle to kick to off, that's about it. Otherwise, you'll eventually be supplementing your doctors income...

 

[karachi183]

I can't believe the old "D-Bol as a bridge" thing is coming up again! I'm positive that it is proven that using Dianabol on a daily basis has two effects:
1. It aromatizes heavily, which will increase your Estrogen levels. You would therefore need to run Nolva, Arimidex, or something to control that.
2. It's fairly hepatoxic, which means that it causes damage to the liver. I would imagine that after a few months of any serious cycle involving it, you would start to experience some serious health issues- some that might be pretty permanent. Doctors pass out drugs all the time that are liver-toxic, but the trick is that the additionally monitor the livers functions through frequent blood tests.

I wouldn't mess around with it too much, maybe use it at the beginning of a big cycle to kick to off, that's about it. Otherwise, you'll eventually be supplementing your doctors income...

I disagree! Now at high doses and used as a bridge issues may arise but if used as a supplement as the thread states 10mg in the AM may not aromatize that much as it "RIDES" our natty spike. Now with that bieng said I'll be the lab animal to test this out if anyone wants to send they're d's.... LOL

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

The idea behind it is that you take it first thing in the morning and that it is minimally suppressive and adds to your natty test spike. It's reckoned that 10mg taken in this way will decay sufficiently not to shut you down and the main concern is the ongoing liver issue. 10mg is reckoned to increase your protein synthesis by around 500%. The cycle is reputedly possibly run for around 9 weeks and known as the 10/60 or 60/10.

I've searched on Google two or three times but have found little on it. I can't even recall where I first heard of it.

I read on this as well but don't recall exactly where. I think it may have beem the UK bodybuilding board...but even then, there weren't alot of people who tried it. Although if you did 10mg per day x 60 days, and did a little pct just in case (maybe 20mg nolva x 10 days), I don't think it would do any harm. I know I gained on 10mg per day before I ramped up the Dbol during my 1st cycle.

Now staying on almost permanantly, even at just 10mg, I wouldn't do. Too many unknowns, too much stress on the liver.


Bluesman

 

[Throw2Far]

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I can't believe the old "D-Bol as a bridge" thing is coming up again! I'm positive that it is proven that using Dianabol on a daily basis has two effects:
1. It aromatizes heavily, which will increase your Estrogen levels. You would therefore need to run Nolva, Arimidex, or something to control that.
2. It's fairly hepatoxic, which means that it causes damage to the liver. I would imagine that after a few months of any serious cycle involving it, you would start to experience some serious health issues- some that might be pretty permanent. Doctors pass out drugs all the time that are liver-toxic, but the trick is that the additionally monitor the livers functions through frequent blood tests.

I wouldn't mess around with it too much, maybe use it at the beginning of a big cycle to kick to off, that's about it. Otherwise, you'll eventually be supplementing your doctors income...

My main use would be for PCT... Just use it during the 4 weeks post cycle (a cycle with no 17aa). This would be liver safe and if you used it during a pct routine of nolva/adex it would not have any metabolites.

I want to try this out and see how quickly i recover from a cycle while bridging with dianabol. Has anyone tried this or found studies/personal-accounts of people that have?

 

[fleabag711]

Dbol as a supplement.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-dianabol.asp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

if used as a supplement as the thread states 10mg in the AM may not aromatize that much as it "RIDES" our natty spike

the opposite is true, if you take exogenous at the same time as a test spike your going to see greater aromatization (greater substrate).


there is no scientific basis for "AM" dbol. Its the metabolites that are suppressive, not the parent androgen compound.

 

[Throw2Far]

the opposite is true, if you take exogenous at the same time as a test spike your going to see greater aromatization (greater substrate).


there is no scientific basis for "AM" dbol. Its the metabolites that are suppressive, not the parent androgen compound.

1. Then could you just take Aromasin/ADex and knock out those metabolites?
2. How suppressive is it? If its only 10% suppressive you could use it to recover up to 90% (during PCT) and then go off to get to 100%.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

1. Then could you just take Aromasin/ADex and knock out those metabolites?
2. How suppressive is it? If its only 10% suppressive you could use it to recover up to 90% (during PCT) and then go off to get to 100%.

1. that would help significantly
2. this is not known, though such usage (as described) might be "acceptable" as part of a PCT regimin (with AI's)-- Though IMHO with good PCT this would really be counterproductive (and IMO anything counter productive during PCT is not advisable)

 

[Ulter]

AM dbol has been used for many years on this continent and in Europe. I don't know who had the idea first but I was doing it 15 years ago, the same time Mr Nobody was doing it in Austria. The main reason and purpose is that it works when you've crashed and you need a quick fix. It's also good for a bridge because your HPTA, although inhibited can come back on line. Bill Roberts wrote about this 8 years ago. Because Bill was highly regarded as a AS Guru many body builders over the years read it and have used this successfully. But with a bridge most people don't care about bringing their HPTA back up. If they did they wouldn't bridge. The longest I did it was 14 months and had a low but measurable LH reading in the middle of it somewhere. (That doc has since been asked to stop practicing so I can't get the records. ) But my natural test is very low to begin with so my body was very happy doing this.

 

[Quiltie]

I've gone back to look for an article that I remember seeing that clearly debunked the "Dbol as bridge" thing. It might be that I'm remembering wrong, if so I would gladly give it a try myself. One of my biggest problems is the downtime between cycles, I lose motivation faster than Madonna losing her virginity. I will say that running Arimidex, Nolva, etc will not prevent the upset of your HPTA- those measures are only modifying the imbalances to prevent side-effects. They DO NOT fully normalize your hormone levels, just by taking a pill. I don't know, maybe it's worth a shot...