diabetes and/or cardiovascular problems

[Lao Tzu]

Will extra mass put someone at risk of diabetes and/or cardiovascular problems the same way extra fat will?

In a few years i hope to attain 250 @ 12%. However, will that 250 still cause as much risk for diabetes or cardiovascular problems as if i were 250 @ 40%? Does your BMI matter more than your bf % when it comes to health risks?

 

[Fonz]

Will extra mass put someone at risk of diabetes and/or cardiovascular problems the same way extra fat will?

In a few years i hope to attain 250 @ 12%. However, will that 250 still cause as much risk for diabetes or cardiovascular problems as if i were 250 @ 40%? Does your BMI matter more than your bf % when it comes to health risks?

The short answer is no.

Fonz

 

[Advaik]

Can you give the "long" answer?

I'm interested in this as my mother developed diabeties when she was carrying me so I am said to be at a high risk of getting it.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

without cardiovascular training .. yes.. it will increase risk.. at least to cardiovascular problems.. if cardio.. no

with respect to diabetes.. type II.. is usually reversible through diet supplementation and cardio (usually fat loss)... if not reversible usually genetic.. though the above can help A LOT.. (to point of normalcy)

 

[Fonz]

without cardiovascular training .. yes.. it will increase risk.. at least to cardiovascular problems.. if cardio.. no

with respect to diabetes.. type II.. is usually reversible through diet supplementation and cardio (usually fat loss)... if not reversible usually genetic.. though the above can help A LOT.. (to point of normalcy)

A bit brief, but Ok.

Fonz

 

[40butpumpin]

Well, there are different types of cardio vascular problems. I bet you are not thinking of congestive heart failure or heart valve problems or cardiac hypertrophy. I believe that someone 175 lbs with a good BMI in moderate physical condition is at much less risk than someone 250+ and a poor BMI who does cardio every day. I believe that for the most part your heart does not know, or care, where the extra weight is coming from, muscle or fat, just that it has to work a lot harder each and every day. I am talking about over the long haul, however, like into your 50s and 60s and beyond. I believe that when you reach these ages being heavy all of your life, again regardless of whether the extra weight is coming from muscle or fat, will mean a lot in determining your then current cardiovascular health. This is of course is my opinion with nothing to back it up. In addition to this, to maintain this weight its not unreasonable to think that your calorie intake will be on the high side. It has been proven that low calorie diets result in the longest life span and least disease. Just some food for thought here.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Re: Re: diabetes and/or cardiovascular problems

The short answer is no.

Fonz

put the picture of the woman in the t-shirt back in your avatar.

Also, what are you referring to. Cardiovascular problems (things like hypertension, stroke, heart attack, angina, etc) or type II diabetes?

 

[40butpumpin]

One example of how greater mass can hurt you I believe is with something as seemingly simple as snoring. It is well documented that the heavier an individual is the more likely they are to snore. You can see below that snoring is not benign. Now the question is, does it matter where the mass comes from, muscle or fat. According to a to sleep apnea specialist in my area it does NOT matter. He told me the best way to stop snoring is to decrease my overall body mass. I lost 15 lbs and it did help a lot. I am now trying to lose another 15 and get down to at least 215, of course I want to lose only fat.

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[40butpumpin]

Just FYI, I also cross referenced BMI and snoring and found plently. There appears to be a definite connection between increased mass and being at higher risk for these diseases. The question is whether it matters what the mass is consisting of, fat or muscle. hth

 

[Fonz]

Just FYI, I also cross referenced BMI and snoring and found plently. There appears to be a definite connection between increased mass and being at higher risk for these diseases. The question is whether it matters what the mass is consisting of, fat or muscle. hth

Its fat.

The condition is called sleep apnea.

It happens to obese people.

For BB, the one thing to worry about is BP from AAS use.
High BP for extended periods of time is detrimental to your
health.
2X yearly ECG's to determine cardiac output would also be good.
1X yearly physical for all the rest.

Fonz


Fonz

 

[wilson6]

Fat mass yes, muscle mass no.

Almost all of the micro- and macrovascular problems associated with diabetes are a result of poor glycemic control (chronically high blood glucose).

Increased body fat causes insulin resistance, increased muscle mass helps you dispose of glucose. Muscle contraction stimulated glucose disposal works independent of insulin. Thus, alot of exercising muscle is going to be very beneficial for keeping blood glucose under control. Exercise is one of the best treatments for a Type II diabetic in conjunction with reducing body fat if they are overly fat.

W6

 

[40butpumpin]

Its fat.

The condition is called sleep apnea.

It happens to obese people.

For BB, the one thing to worry about is BP from AAS use.
High BP for extended periods of time is detrimental to your
health.
2X yearly ECG's to determine cardiac output would also be good.
1X yearly physical for all the rest.

Fonz


Fonz

Have you guys ever been 250+? I have. And I wasnt fat either. I agree its fat more times than not but I also think its not that cut and dried from my own personal experience. Id like to hear from some more guys 250 and over. Do you guys have problems with sleep apnea?

 

[Fonz]

Have you guys ever been 250+? I have. And I wasnt fat either. I agree its fat more times than not but I also think its not that cut and dried from my own personal experience. Id like to hear from some more guys 250 and over. Do you guys have problems with sleep apnea?

225lbs at 10% BF. 5"9

I do not like being that big for athletic reasons.

Fonz

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Have you guys ever been 250+? I have. And I wasnt fat either. I agree its fat more times than not but I also think its not that cut and dried from my own personal experience. Id like to hear from some more guys 250 and over. Do you guys have problems with sleep apnea?

this may have been an androgen/insulin resistance/water retention issue..

and what kind of cardiovascular shape were you in at the time... excellent.. good... fair.. these are probably better indicators.. obviously cardiovascular training mat be MORE important at heavier masses for avoiding things like poor circulation and sleep apnea..

flexibility and stretching are very important to cardiovascular flow

 

[40butpumpin]

this may have been an androgen/insulin resistance/water retention issue..

and what kind of cardiovascular shape were you in at the time... excellent.. good... fair.. these are probably better indicators.. obviously cardiovascular training mat be MORE important at heavier masses for avoiding things like poor circulation and sleep apnea..

flexibility and stretching are very important to cardiovascular flow

Yes, it is difficult to say with any certainty exactly what it was, however, when I got down the 220s the first thing I noticed was how rested I felt upon awakening. I would have to say Ive been in fair cardio shape during the past few years. I agree that the better cardio shape the less issues with snoring/sleep apnea but good cardio shape also usually goes hand in hand with a lighter overall body mass. At least thats what you would expect. I think my age may also be causing me to be more sensitive to my mass, I dont know. Ill be 42 here in a few months and I just have this gut feeling that to go another 20+, Im gonna have to start getting leaner and lighter. Bromo, here I come. lol