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Designing the Perfect Sleep Formula

drveejay11 said:
ooks great---but loose the melatonin---it acts so differently for so many people, peaople can always add this if need be

Agreed

Melatonin is the only ingredient in this that is controversial with respect to its highly individual effects. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would buy this formulation without melatonin and be detered from buying it if there was melatonin in it. Melatonin is cheap and easy to get, people who like it can add it themselves. I would buy the formulation without mel.
 
Personally, If you are gonna keep the melatonin in the list, I would definately go with a higher MG dose. At 15-24mg of Melatonin per night, it works really well with me. I have been using Natrol's 3mg tabs. I am a HUGE fan of Melatonin.

BMJ
 
L-theanine from green tea

Theanine is cool because it cross the blood-brain barrier better than GABA. And after the cross, theanine gets converted to GABA.
which means lowering norepinephrine levels. just a thought.

KJ
 
FDA just put out a warning on Kava. I wouldn't put it in the formula. You'd be amazed at the number of people that think the FDA is a credible organization.
 
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FDA on Kava:

FDA Issues Warning on Kava-Containing Supplements
Tue Mar 26,10:34 AM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - Following in the footsteps of Australia,
Canada and several European nations, the US Food and Drug Administration
(news - web sites) (FDA) warned American consumers on Monday against the use
of products containing kava, a herbal ingredient most often promoted for
relaxation and the alleviation of sleeplessness.

The FDA said it was issuing the warning because kava has been associated
with liver-related injuries in the US and several other countries, including
Germany, Switzerland, France, Canada and the United Kingdom.

"Although liver damage appears to be rare, FDA believes consumers should be
informed of this potential risk," the agency said in a statement.

According to the FDA, a total of 25 reports were made in the other nations
of liver-related problems such as hepatitis, cirrhosis and liver failure in
people taking kava-containing products. The FDA said four of those people
required liver transplants, following their liver-related injuries.

In the US, the agency added that it has received at least one case report
that resulted in a liver transplant, involving a previously healthy young
female, as well as several reports of liver-related injuries.

"Given these reports, persons who have liver disease or liver problems, or
persons who are taking drug products that can affect the liver, should
consult a physician before using kava-containing supplements," according to
the federal agency. "Consumers who use a kava-containing dietary supplement
and who experience signs of illness associated with liver disease should
also consult their physician."

According to the FDA, "Symptoms of serious liver disease include jaundice
(yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes) and brown urine. Non-specific
symptoms of liver disease can include nausea, vomiting, light-colored
stools, unusual tiredness, weakness, stomach or abdominal pain, and loss of
appetite."

Kava is an age-old herb from the family of peppers that historically has
been used by islanders in the Pacific to concoct a mildly narcotic ritual
drink.

Other commonly used names for the herbal supplement include ava, awa and
kawa.

The FDA first announced its intention to investigate the potential link
between kava and liver damage in early January. At the time, the agency said
it was aware of about 38 cases of potential liver damage.

Advisors to the German government subsequently recommended that kava be made
a prescription-only product.

In the statement issued on Monday, the FDA said it has not made any
determination with respect to kava's ability to relieve stress, anxiety,
tension or its other promoted uses.

The FDA also said it would continue to investigate the relationship between
Kava and the risk of liver injury, but stopped short of saying what
additional steps the agency might take should a relationship be established.

"The agency will alert consumers, and if warranted, take additional action
as more information becomes available," they said.

FDA officials could not be reached to provide further details.
 
"Theanine is cool because it cross the blood-brain barrier better than GABA. And after the cross, theanine gets converted to GABA.
which means lowering norepinephrine levels. just a thought."

Can you direct me towards some research on theanine converting into GABA? I have looked at alot of research on this compound and have never seen this.
 
The info about L-theanine is in the sports supplement review,
4th issue by EAS. It actualy had a study, but it only gave refrence numbers to the studies. You might have to call EAS to get the dirty.

KJ
 
Re: sleep formula

matteoja said:
The alcohol in Nyquil does nothing except maybe intensify the effects of the Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide. That is the
"crack" that knocks you out. A new product just came out as
a G alternative that contains a hefty dose of the stuff. (Renew -G)
The problem is that they are marketing it as a party drug, so they put some synthetic adrenalin substance (l-phenylephrine) in it so it is worthless for falling asleep. But I say toss some Dex HBr. in the sleep formula!!

Joe

Dextromethorphan? If you're going for it, go for polystirex. It lasts 12 hours instead of 4-6. It's what's in Delsym.

But I don't know how much that would help with sleep. It just blisses me out and makes me happy. Like I don't want to fall asleep, but enjoy the happiness. Man, I remember when I was taking 5-HTP and drinking a lot of coffee in the morning would practically give me a panic attack. Good times.
 
George Spellwin said:
Ok, thanks for all the input, here is the formulation I am leanng towards. What are your thoughts?

Valerian Root herb- 350 mg

Skull Cap herb- 50 mg

Kava Kava Extract herb (30% standardized extract)- 25 mg

Melatonin- 500 mcg

Passion Flower herb- 300 mg

5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP)- 25 mg

I like this idea on herbal sleep remedies. My only concern would be on the melatonin. That stuff not only makes me really groggy for the first few hours of the day, but it makes me have some bed wetting nightmares. I have some friends and relatives that all say the same thing about the nightmares. Good job spellwin
 
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