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Designing the Perfect Sleep Formula

George Spellwin

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Mass Quantities is formulating a sleep aid. I think many people would benefit from a more restorative night's sleep and I wanted to get your input. We are looking to include Valerian, Kava Kava, and Melatonin. What are your thoughts and what would you want to see in such a product's formulation?
 
george---skull cap is another herbal "relaxing agent" without any side effects you may want to add for potency


ps.....how about a product designed to protect the prostate (from DHT bombardment) since presumably everyone on the board is on some type of test product be it legal or illegal. I think it would be an excellent addition to every male on this board's regular regimine to ensure we are all not going to suffer from prostate cancer some day.

pss....how about a product for adrenal gland support in consideration for all the god-damn amounts of caffeine and ephendrine most bodybuilders and work-out enthusiasts alike are constantly intaking for their work-outs and just for energy. It's very important NOT to wear these tiny glands out------but it's so god-damn hard NOT to use caffeine/ephedrine!

just my 2 cents .....thanks
 
5-htp, maybe a little zma or something close to it since u have to buy the right to use it if im not mistaken
 
screw the melatonin it leaves you feeling drowsy the next day.i used a supp that contained something calledcorydalas B,worked great and i was ready to go the next day.btw it worked extremely fast.i think the addition of 500mgs of acetyl-l-carnitine and 25mgs of l-ornithine would be a nice addition.**honestly if you don't make this supp i may.

**Parr,T.B.(2001)A new technique to elevate night time growth hormone feedback control loop.medical hypotheses.56:610-613
 
The best sleep aid I've ever used was a prescription product called "Prosom" which is Estazolam. If there is a legal supp that mimicked this it would be great.
 
Originally posted by Basement Dweller
Figure out what it is in Nyquil that makes me fall asleep instantaneously, and put some of that in!
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"THAT IS CALLED ALCOHOL"

For some unknown reason this myth, about the alcohol content of Nyquil is the reason for it's sedative effect, remains popular.

Why is it that such a small amount of alcohol would knock out a grown man, yet a night of drinking requires much larger amounts? Does no one realize that the anti-histamine, diphenhydramine, found in Nyquil is one of the stronger sedative anti-histamines?
 
Don't play around with the small potato stuff. 2 grams tryptophan, 2 grams GABA, 10mg Bioperine, and wash it down with a couple ounces of grapefruit(naringen) should put you in a coma for a couple of hours. Maybe top it off with a little halcion so you can bump into the walls on your way to the bedroom.
 
George Spellwin said:
Mass Quantities is formulating a sleep aid. I think many people would benefit from a more restorative night's sleep and I wanted to get your input. We are looking to include Valerian, Kava Kava, and Melatonin. What are your thoughts and what would you want to see in such a product's formulation?

The three you have mentioned in the right dosages will definitely do the trick!!! Unless you are leaning toward additional recovery type benefits, the combination you have mentioned is effective....
 
L-Tryptophan
a (legal) GHB alternative, if any
 
what is it supposed to do ?
 
He can't put tryptophan in it unless he markets it for animals only. Since he runs a human supplement company, I don't think he could bullshit his way through this. Too bad though, its good stuff.
 
Ok, thanks for all the input, here is the formulation I am leanng towards. What are your thoughts?

Valerian Root herb- 350 mg

Skull Cap herb- 50 mg

Kava Kava Extract herb (30% standardized extract)- 25 mg

Melatonin- 500 mcg

Passion Flower herb- 300 mg

5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP)- 25 mg
 
sleep formula

The alcohol in Nyquil does nothing except maybe intensify the effects of the Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide. That is the
"crack" that knocks you out. A new product just came out as
a G alternative that contains a hefty dose of the stuff. (Renew -G)
The problem is that they are marketing it as a party drug, so they put some synthetic adrenalin substance (l-phenylephrine) in it so it is worthless for falling asleep. But I say toss some Dex HBr. in the sleep formula!!

Joe
 
George Spellwin said:
Ok, thanks for all the input, here is the formulation I am leanng towards. What are your thoughts?

Valerian Root herb- 350 mg

Skull Cap herb- 50 mg

Kava Kava Extract herb (30% standardized extract)- 25 mg

Melatonin- 500 mcg

Passion Flower herb- 300 mg

5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP)- 25 mg

what the sh!* is skull cap herb,that sounds illegal.500mcg of melatonin might be alright ,but that doesn't address the fact that melaatonin loses its effectiveness after a couple days of use
 
ooks great---but loose the melatonin---it acts so differently for so many people, peaople can always add this if need be
 
drveejay11 said:
ooks great---but loose the melatonin---it acts so differently for so many people, peaople can always add this if need be

Agreed

Melatonin is the only ingredient in this that is controversial with respect to its highly individual effects. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would buy this formulation without melatonin and be detered from buying it if there was melatonin in it. Melatonin is cheap and easy to get, people who like it can add it themselves. I would buy the formulation without mel.
 
Personally, If you are gonna keep the melatonin in the list, I would definately go with a higher MG dose. At 15-24mg of Melatonin per night, it works really well with me. I have been using Natrol's 3mg tabs. I am a HUGE fan of Melatonin.

BMJ
 
L-theanine from green tea

Theanine is cool because it cross the blood-brain barrier better than GABA. And after the cross, theanine gets converted to GABA.
which means lowering norepinephrine levels. just a thought.

KJ
 
FDA just put out a warning on Kava. I wouldn't put it in the formula. You'd be amazed at the number of people that think the FDA is a credible organization.
 
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FDA on Kava:

FDA Issues Warning on Kava-Containing Supplements
Tue Mar 26,10:34 AM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - Following in the footsteps of Australia,
Canada and several European nations, the US Food and Drug Administration
(news - web sites) (FDA) warned American consumers on Monday against the use
of products containing kava, a herbal ingredient most often promoted for
relaxation and the alleviation of sleeplessness.

The FDA said it was issuing the warning because kava has been associated
with liver-related injuries in the US and several other countries, including
Germany, Switzerland, France, Canada and the United Kingdom.

"Although liver damage appears to be rare, FDA believes consumers should be
informed of this potential risk," the agency said in a statement.

According to the FDA, a total of 25 reports were made in the other nations
of liver-related problems such as hepatitis, cirrhosis and liver failure in
people taking kava-containing products. The FDA said four of those people
required liver transplants, following their liver-related injuries.

In the US, the agency added that it has received at least one case report
that resulted in a liver transplant, involving a previously healthy young
female, as well as several reports of liver-related injuries.

"Given these reports, persons who have liver disease or liver problems, or
persons who are taking drug products that can affect the liver, should
consult a physician before using kava-containing supplements," according to
the federal agency. "Consumers who use a kava-containing dietary supplement
and who experience signs of illness associated with liver disease should
also consult their physician."

According to the FDA, "Symptoms of serious liver disease include jaundice
(yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes) and brown urine. Non-specific
symptoms of liver disease can include nausea, vomiting, light-colored
stools, unusual tiredness, weakness, stomach or abdominal pain, and loss of
appetite."

Kava is an age-old herb from the family of peppers that historically has
been used by islanders in the Pacific to concoct a mildly narcotic ritual
drink.

Other commonly used names for the herbal supplement include ava, awa and
kawa.

The FDA first announced its intention to investigate the potential link
between kava and liver damage in early January. At the time, the agency said
it was aware of about 38 cases of potential liver damage.

Advisors to the German government subsequently recommended that kava be made
a prescription-only product.

In the statement issued on Monday, the FDA said it has not made any
determination with respect to kava's ability to relieve stress, anxiety,
tension or its other promoted uses.

The FDA also said it would continue to investigate the relationship between
Kava and the risk of liver injury, but stopped short of saying what
additional steps the agency might take should a relationship be established.

"The agency will alert consumers, and if warranted, take additional action
as more information becomes available," they said.

FDA officials could not be reached to provide further details.
 
"Theanine is cool because it cross the blood-brain barrier better than GABA. And after the cross, theanine gets converted to GABA.
which means lowering norepinephrine levels. just a thought."

Can you direct me towards some research on theanine converting into GABA? I have looked at alot of research on this compound and have never seen this.
 
The info about L-theanine is in the sports supplement review,
4th issue by EAS. It actualy had a study, but it only gave refrence numbers to the studies. You might have to call EAS to get the dirty.

KJ
 
Re: sleep formula

matteoja said:
The alcohol in Nyquil does nothing except maybe intensify the effects of the Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide. That is the
"crack" that knocks you out. A new product just came out as
a G alternative that contains a hefty dose of the stuff. (Renew -G)
The problem is that they are marketing it as a party drug, so they put some synthetic adrenalin substance (l-phenylephrine) in it so it is worthless for falling asleep. But I say toss some Dex HBr. in the sleep formula!!

Joe

Dextromethorphan? If you're going for it, go for polystirex. It lasts 12 hours instead of 4-6. It's what's in Delsym.

But I don't know how much that would help with sleep. It just blisses me out and makes me happy. Like I don't want to fall asleep, but enjoy the happiness. Man, I remember when I was taking 5-HTP and drinking a lot of coffee in the morning would practically give me a panic attack. Good times.
 
George Spellwin said:
Ok, thanks for all the input, here is the formulation I am leanng towards. What are your thoughts?

Valerian Root herb- 350 mg

Skull Cap herb- 50 mg

Kava Kava Extract herb (30% standardized extract)- 25 mg

Melatonin- 500 mcg

Passion Flower herb- 300 mg

5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP)- 25 mg

I like this idea on herbal sleep remedies. My only concern would be on the melatonin. That stuff not only makes me really groggy for the first few hours of the day, but it makes me have some bed wetting nightmares. I have some friends and relatives that all say the same thing about the nightmares. Good job spellwin
 
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