Design my dream cycle:

[vio]

Ok kids.
I don't need the biggest gains. Hell, I don't even want them.
I want to gain muchos strength and some size, but most of all I want it all to be keepable.
I'm not doing winstrol, everything else would be fine I guess. I've only done one cycle before, 4 weeks of turanabol + winstrol.
Give it your best shot!

 

[Makavelli]

Ok kids.
I don't need the biggest gains. Hell, I don't even want them.
I want to gain muchos strength and some size, but most of all I want it all to be keepable.
I'm not doing winstrol, everything else would be fine I guess. I've only done one cycle before, 4 weeks of turanabol + winstrol.
Give it your best shot!

Test, D-bol, EQ for 12-16 weeks. D-Bol for 8. Have fun!

 

[vio]

Sounds a bit hardcore for a firsttimer.. :s. But tnx anyways.
I think I'll do anavar along no matter. EQ is like a weaker kind of Deca?

 

[swordfish151]

lol...would you like us to lift the weights for you too bro....how did you do on your first cycle?

 

[vio]

lol...would you like us to lift the weights for you too bro....how did you do on your first cycle?

I gained 14 lean pounds. Lost 4 of them after PCT. However, I've been sitting on my ass for more than a week due to sore tendons and dry joints after that winstrol.
Strength increase was amazing. Up from 5 to 10 reps on my heavy working set (bench press).

No need to be impolite bro. I'm just in need of some inspiration .

 

[black sheep]

Test, D-bol, EQ for 12-16 weeks. D-Bol for 8. Have fun!

This is a poor choice for his goals.

How much do you want to spend? Here is a pricey option:

Week 1-12 Test cyp 200mg/week
Week 1-12 Primo 400mg/week
Week 6-12 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Here is a less expensive option:

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
Week 2-8 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Running the Prop 2 weeks past the Tren will help you recover better and faster. WInny is a cheaper option than the var in cycle choice 2, but for what ever reason you don't want to use it.

 

[Djicy]

This is a poor choice for his goals.

How much do you want to spend? Here is a pricey option:

Week 1-12 Test cyp 200mg/week
Week 1-12 Primo 400mg/week
Week 6-12 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Here is a less expensive option:

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
Week 2-8 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Running the Prop 2 weeks past the Tren will help you recover better and faster. WInny is a cheaper option than the var in cycle choice 2, but for what ever reason you don't want to use it.

The first one seems good but why not just EQ instead of Primo save some money?

 

[black sheep]

Primo is a better choice IMO.

The cycle I suggested would yeild 100% keepable gains.

However, the second one would offer good gains, and a ton of Strength!

 

[vio]

This is a poor choice for his goals.

How much do you want to spend? Here is a pricey option:

Week 1-12 Test cyp 200mg/week
Week 1-12 Primo 400mg/week
Week 6-12 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Here is a less expensive option:

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
Week 2-8 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Running the Prop 2 weeks past the Tren will help you recover better and faster. WInny is a cheaper option than the var in cycle choice 2, but for what ever reason you don't want to use it.

Money is not the major issue. Sides and post-cycle loss is.
These seem like sound and sweet alternatives. I kinda like the first one. Why Test cyp. over, say sust or test ent.?

Karma for you!

 

[black sheep]

Sust is okay, but for this cycle save the $$ from the sust and go with a single ester. The prop in the sust will be wasted as you will only be injecting once a week.

Cyp and Enat are pretty much the same. Ester half life is different by a day or 2. I say Cyp, because my favorite brand (Syrus) make Cyp.

 

[vio]

I'll have to look into the pricey one. Sounds like a hot ticket.
Tnx Mr.!

 

[swordfish151]

I gained 14 lean pounds. Lost 4 of them after PCT. However, I've been sitting on my ass for more than a week due to sore tendons and dry joints after that winstrol.
Strength increase was amazing. Up from 5 to 10 reps on my heavy working set (bench press).

No need to be impolite bro. I'm just in need of some inspiration .

just pulling your chain.

 

[vio]

Holy cow. I checked out the price tag of those two cycles @ my local vendor.. heh.

I'm still in shock

I forgot to mention that I weigh 198lbs, 16% bf. Power lifter. 23 years old. Only 1 previous cycle, winstrol + turana. Powerlifting makes me prone to injury from dry joints, that's why I wont have the winny. Should the dosage be adjustet for my weight?
I did like those cycles, but they were a bit.. expensive .

 

[Makavelli]

This is a poor choice for his goals.

How much do you want to spend? Here is a pricey option:

Week 1-12 Test cyp 200mg/week
Week 1-12 Primo 400mg/week
Week 6-12 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Here is a less expensive option:

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
Week 2-8 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Running the Prop 2 weeks past the Tren will help you recover better and faster. WInny is a cheaper option than the var in cycle choice 2, but for what ever reason you don't want to use it.

Why is my suggestion a poor choice? The tren and anavar will make him poor! Anyway he wants to gain size and strength. As long as he eats clean and uses anti E's he won't blow up. It's a solid cycle that I've had lots of athletes use, myself included, with great results.

 

[vio]

The first one smells like moving up a weight class, but it's not bad at all I guess .

 

[vio]

Ok. I'll go for
1-10 Test enant. Norma 250mg /week.
1-10 BD primobol 400mg /w
6-10 BD Var 30mg ED.

I was wondering if 300mg/w would be enough for me?
198lbs, complete noob.

 

[black sheep]

Ok. I'll go for
1-10 Test enant. Norma 250mg /week.
1-10 BD primobol 400mg /w
6-10 BD Var 30mg ED.

I was wondering if 300mg/w would be enough for me?
198lbs, complete noob.

If you are referring to the Primo, anything under 400mg a week is a waste.

I would run the Var for 6 weeks. I know this cycle is expensive, but when you consider the type of gains you will get, I think it is worth it.

 

[vio]

Ok. I just read @ steroids101 that 200-300mg/w is a sufficient dosage. However, everything on 101 seems underdosed.
Tnx for all help. Now I'll just have to grow bigger balls so I dare stick myself.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I like #2 regardless of price.

This is a poor choice for his goals.

How much do you want to spend? Here is a pricey option:

Week 1-12 Test cyp 200mg/week
Week 1-12 Primo 400mg/week
Week 6-12 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Here is a less expensive option:

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
Week 2-8 Anavar 40mg ED

PCT

Running the Prop 2 weeks past the Tren will help you recover better and faster. WInny is a cheaper option than the var in cycle choice 2, but for what ever reason you don't want to use it.

 

[trinidad]

How about the 'ole standard dbol/test/deca?
wks. 1-4 dbol 30 mgs. ed
wks. 1-10 test 500 mgs.
wks. 1-10 deca 400 mgs.

 

[black sheep]

How about the 'ole standard dbol/test/deca?
wks. 1-4 dbol 30 mgs. ed
wks. 1-10 test 500 mgs.
wks. 1-10 deca 400 mgs.

D-Bol when you are looking for strength, but little mass???????????????

Test deca D-Bol is about the worst cycle for his goals.

 

[Makavelli]

D-Bol when you are looking for strength, but little mass???????????????

Test deca D-Bol is about the worst cycle for his goals.

Most of the time I agree with you Black Sheep, but if you look at what he said: "I want to gain muchos strength and some size". The Test, D, and EQ or Deca would work very nicely and be much cheaper than the tren and var. JMO though.

 

[black sheep]

Most of the time I agree with you Black Sheep, but if you look at what he said: "I want to gain muchos strength and some size". The Test, D, and EQ or Deca would work very nicely and be much cheaper than the tren and var. JMO though.

Well we will never agree on this. I would agree if you said Test/EQ/Var, or Test/EQ/Winny, but D-Bol has no place in this man's cycle.

 

[trinidad]

D-Bol when you are looking for strength, but little mass???????????????

Test deca D-Bol is about the worst cycle for his goals.

But you think that a guy who has 1 cycle under his belt that consisted of 4 wks. of tbol and winny should run prop/var/tren? Did you read the part where he's also concerned about sides?

 

[black sheep]

But you think that a guy who has 1 cycle under his belt that consisted of 4 wks. of tbol and winny should run prop/var/tren? Did you read the part where he's also concerned about sides?

I did, that is why my #1 choice was a small amount of test, along side 2 compounds with virtually NO sides......Var and Primo.

He has decided on going that route, which is a great choice for him.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

How about the 'ole standard dbol/test/deca?
wks. 1-4 dbol 30 mgs. ed
wks. 1-10 test 500 mgs.
wks. 1-10 deca 400 mgs.

Can't go wrong with that... my fav. for sure..

 

[trinidad]

I did, that is why my #1 choice was a small amount of test, along side 2 compounds with virtually NO sides......Var and Primo.

He has decided on going that route, which is a great choice for him.

I think your #1 cycle suggestion would be great, can't knock test/var/primo all good choices and for what he's looking for but he seemed concerned about the prices which is why I suggested the dbol/test/deca. He could substitute tbol for the dbol to minimize water retention but still get some added strength from it.

 

[JohnRambo]

Have you chosen bro? Primo prices aren't so bad in Norway now, and I got myself some new deals... In this way primo is actually cheaper than tren... No reason why not to go for black sheeps alternative numbero uno....