Deca vs Tren for mass ??

[Tryn2]

I have done both but am intrested in people about their opinions on tren as a mass builder. I think deca may have worked better for me. What do you guys think ? I know diet is a determining factor but with all things even across the board. I also relize Tren is stronger. But with all the "on paper facts" set aside what are your real world opinions ?? I am also talking about them with Test...
Thanks bros....

 

[Nighthawkk]

Deca gives me a "large" look and lots of weight/strength gain on 300-400mg weekly, and usually kicks in around week 4. Tren doesn't give me as much weight as deca, but the mass is more solid, qualitatively speaking. I also get a more vascular and hard appearance with tren, usually around week 2 and beyond. They both have their place in cycles, but I prefer tren over deca overall

 

[Tryn2]

See I am planning my third cycle. I ran deca only then tren/test. I gained more off the deca only. I know it was my first, but Im thinking of running a deca/test then hitting a tren test winny for the spring. I thnk for me tren would be better as a hardening agent but for mass I may use the deca. When I ran the test/tren my test may have been a little underdosed....

 

[gymratforlife]

See I am planning my third cycle. I ran deca only then tren/test. I gained more off the deca only. I know it was my first, but Im thinking of running a deca/test then hitting a tren test winny for the spring. I thnk for me tren would be better as a hardening agent but for mass I may use the deca. When I ran the test/tren my test may have been a little underdosed....

You wont need the winy with the tren/test cycle.Tren will do what winy does and even more.As far as what they have in comon I would say they are total oposites in all aspects except that they both shut you down harder than any aas out there.

 

[Tryn2]

What do you use for a mass builder that works great and doesnt shut you down like that ?

 

[Outtlaw]

Anything you use is gonna shut you down. As long as you follow a good pct you should be fine. I'll never use tren again in a bulking cycle. For me it works best for cutting. I got excellent results from deca. And I also really like dbol for bulking, but you could aslo go with drol.

 

[Tryn2]

Im not too familiar with anadrol. But I feel the same about everyhting else you worte. A proper pct is meant to help you when you are shutdown & for me Im saving tren for cutting for now on....

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I may be wrong but i think most use tren as part of cutting and not for mass..which is why you always get that it is not known for mass!! Ive never used tren but one day soon..it would seem like a great drug for mass..huge strength gains as well as the ability to burn fat..maybe outlaw will elaborate why he would never use tren for bulking?..

 

[Outtlaw]

I may be wrong but i think most use tren as part of cutting and not for mass..which is why you always get that it is not known for mass!! Ive never used tren but one day soon..it would seem like a great drug for mass..huge strength gains as well as the ability to burn fat..maybe outlaw will elaborate why he would never use tren for bulking?..

Well, they do say never say never... but anyways, when I used tren in my bulking cycle I started it about halfway through the cycle. I was getting good mass gains at 1st, but then I felt it started to cut into my gains and start shredding me. I still think it's one of the best substances I've used, I got amazing strength gains from it, but it just didnt do what I wanted it to do while I was bulking.

 

[Tryn2]

The strength gains were sick. I wonder how long Ill keep them ??

 

[flex2win]

Excellent points have been made above with your questions. I have used both with test/dbol and seen excellent results with either one. Let's make it simple: If you like hardness, vascularity(assuming bf is low enough) and immediate strength gains, fina is your boy...If you're after a slower acting, less androgenic drug, with equivalent if not more,imo, strength gains, go with the deca...You will be hard pressed to find a better all time classic stack of dbol/test/deca...you just cannot go wrong with this and a well planned diet....

 

[BO-DEN]

intresting

 

[Tryn2]

So what dose do people run dbol. Like 40mgs ed. Weeks 1-6 maybe 1-4....

 

[flex2win]

Here ya go buddy:
Wk 1-4: 30mg dbol ed
Wk 1-10: 200-400mg deca
Wk 1-12: 500mg test
This should work out nicely, you could run dbol for 1 more week if you wanted, if this is your first time, I would keep it nice/safe and low, 30mg/ed is just fine here..good luck bro..

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Well, they do say never say never... but anyways, when I used tren in my bulking cycle I started it about halfway through the cycle. I was getting good mass gains at 1st, but then I felt it started to cut into my gains and start shredding me. I still think it's one of the best substances I've used, I got amazing strength gains from it, but it just didnt do what I wanted it to do while I was bulking.

what wrong with adding muscle without water weight? i was hoping you would say something to convince me that tren should only be used to cut!! lol

 

[Tryn2]

Why not leave deca for 12 weeks....

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Why not leave deca for 12 weeks....

Because you need to extend the test a few weeks longer (while the deca is still working) to avoid deca dick.

In the cycke Flex2Win mentioned, you would start PCT 1 week after last test injection.

 

[Tryn2]

I still dont get that. The ester of test enanth is just as long as deca and is self tappering. I mean just to avoid deca dick I could see maybe one week longer. Anyhow I never went over 300mgs/wk on deca and my libido was through the roof without test and deca dick never kicked in....Maybe Im lucky but maybe deca has a lot of negative over hypes.....Sometimes I think shits in your mind. I think your subconscious is alot more powerful than we think it is....Oh and Im not high

 

[flex2win]

If you've had luck in the past avoiding that side, why not roll with it again....I would stick with what works for ya bro...

 

[majutsu]

deca for mass. Practically it gives me that thick slab look I want.

Tren cut me up and had amazing strength gains. I did test/tren trying to bulk, based on the "tren is more anabolic on paper" argument. It cut me up. I sweat a lot. I was strong. But I looked too wiry for my tastes at the end.

The reason I think the reason deca builds more mass than tren is that although tren is supposed to be stronger at the anabolic receptor than deca, deca also is estrogenic and progesterone active. Estrogen and progesterone also cause a lot of growth. This is why cattle in the US are often injected with tren and estrogen preparations. So deca is a "messier" drug and you get more growth through a variety of interacting mechanisms. That's my guess.

But, for whatever reason, tren seems to be more of a cutter than a good bulker in the real world.

 

[solidspine]

Everyone is different, but for me, Tren beats Deca hands down, if not sure, run both, with hcg.

 

[Tryn2]

Doesnt deca affect fatty tissue inside the muscle. Maybe that is why you get that large look...I have heard of deca being detectable in fatty tissue for longer amounts of time.
I think for me Ill save tren for a cutter. Pretty much I will use the same guidelines as winny. It did make me sweat enourmosly and more vascular...

 

[Optimus B]

with a sound diet, you're golden with either one.

when bulking and lifting hard and heavy, deca will help lubricate your joints better so i'd go with deca (just be sure to add a hardy helping of TEST .