Ok men, I am writing this in an effor to get some info on my train of thoughts for this question. I have done several cycles of oral Reforvit and have had good results but I end up bloated and fighting the "h2o" thing. Last "cycle" I went with Androil and Ox, didn't get anything. My strenght is good, I am going after size and mass. I am able to get some deca and primo, never done an inject cycle so this is new. The question I have is how do I run the cycle. I have seen both indepent and joined cycles. I am thing of running them indepent and concurrent. Run the deca for 4 weeks and then run the primo for another 4 to deal with the water from the deca although I know it will not be any close to the reforvit in water ret. I figure running the primo last will also help me with my test. I will do some clomid after the primo and do some T3 while on the primo. The primo will allow me to keep the gains and with some protein thrown in as well. I am 5 6" 170-180 with a body fat of about 10%. I will start the cycles after 2 weeks of nothing but good nutrition and hard work and rest. I won't even do eca until the end of first week. I appreciate the input .