Deca or no deca in 1st cycle

[liftshard]

Hey, I posted a question over on the reg forum regarding a 1st cycle and my reading before and after has suggested that a lot of members here who seem knowledgeable suggest foregoing deca in initial cycles due to the potential for adverse symptom onset and consequent inability to discriminate between putative causes. I didn't get too many answers, but there are a lot of posts over there.

I was thinking:

1 amp sust/wk weeks 1-8
2x10mg Dbol weeks 1-5
200 mg deca average weeks 1-8

I'll put some Clomid on at week 8 or whatever for a few weeks too, but people are bickering over its effectiveness as well.

I just want some comment. I am contemplating excluding the deca and just saving it for future use. Some people are saying use only the sust, but most that I've seen suggesting that are also recommending 500/wk or 250/5 days and I simply don't have access to the quantity to do 8 weeks at those rates. As things stand, my dosages are on the lower end of the scale of things, but I have a higher number (3) of products.

At the outset, I wanna thank the guys who post gear pics on the forum; it enabled me to conclusively (or at least within reasonable certainty) verify the stuff I had. The Dbol is the thai shit w/ the snake and arrow, the deca is norma, the new bottles w/ the blue logo underneath the label, and the sust is portuguese w/ the red and yellow bands.

Thanks in advance.

 

[manny78]

I would do either sust/dbols or deca/dbols.

so the following:

sust 250mg (even 500mg) week 1-8
dbols 20mg ED week 1-4

or:

Deca 200-300mg week 1-8
dbols 20mg ED week 1-4


Both are good combos, actually option number 2 presents less risks in terms of acne, prostate related problems and gyno related. Loss of libido ? This is true with deca, but with sust as well. It's all about coming off the right way, doing a good post-cycle therapy and not injecting a shitload of deca. If shit hits the fan while cycling, then consider some proviron (25-50mgED).