Deca - Newbie Questions, Sorry :/

[hopper2k]

Hi All,

I hope im allowed to post this here... if not ill delete..

Im 23 and have been going to the gym now for a year and a half (been doing it properly for the past year) and im on my first stack of deca 200mg a week to get me started... (took first jab on sunday in me butt) lol

I just have a few newbie questions please if you dont mind

Is there anything i can do or take to keep my gains toward the end of my cycle?

Im sure there will be a couple of more questions but a think thats i for now

Thanks for your help,

Neil.

 

[krishna]

Take 400mg/wk. Nolva, clomid, hcg for post cycle.

 

[yoop33]

Welcome Welcome. For starters what else are you taking? You said you were stacking your deca? I would do a seach for PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) This will help you keep the gains longer and help your naturals get kicking again until your next cycle. This is very important because like myself before, many people will not do this and when the cycle ends you get discouraged from your losses and stop going to the gym and get lazy and fat. prevent this by using a PCT.
What exactly are you looking to get out of this as well? If it is just something simple then fine. But if you want weight, size and strength then you might want to consider up-ing your dosage and taking something else with the deca as well.
Read around and do searches. you will find plenty or what others are taking and you can get an idea from that
Good Luck, Get Big

 

[hopper2k]

Ohhh sorry, im not used to all these terms, lol, i guess stack means with something... im not taking anything else but deca, 200mg a week, Do you think i should up this to 300/400 mg a week, A dont wanna be "huge" just nice and tonned...

"Nolva, clomid, hcg for post cycle." Erm... Im confused lol

Nolva & clomid is this what i need to take to help me keep the gains ?

Again sorry for being a complete nooob.. Really appreciate any help though, Thanks.

 

[blut wump]

PCT - post cycle therapy - is what you do to get yourself back to natural, bodybrew hormones as quickly and safely as possible while trying to lose as little of your gains as possible. There's a whole forum dedicated to it and it's worth reading as much of that forum as you have the time for, especially anything from Jenetic.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81

 

[smoke67]

All above info is good. I would at least go to 300Mgs a week, 200 is not going to give you much. PCT is critical at the end to keep gains. GOOD LUCK

 

[yoop33]

Ohhh sorry, im not used to all these terms, lol, i guess stack means with something... im not taking anything else but deca, 200mg a week, Do you think i should up this to 300/400 mg a week, A dont wanna be "huge" just nice and tonned...

"Nolva, clomid, hcg for post cycle." Erm... Im confused lol

Nolva & clomid is this what i need to take to help me keep the gains ?

Again sorry for being a complete nooob.. Really appreciate any help though, Thanks.

YES TAKE MORE Mg's!!!! Again what are you looking to do? I am taking 750mgs per week with almost 1000mg's of Test.
No point in waisting gear or pins on little dosages because you will not notice any difference. You have to take more then what your body is going to produce naturally to even notice anything at all.
Take what you feel your body can handel. Again this is your first cycle to trial and error is going to be part of that. You will get it. Just eat and work hard.

 

[tiggerizme]

Nandrolone stacks well with virtually anything. Due to its mildly aromatizing and its progestagenic activity its mostly used as a mass building compound by all but the monstrously huge. Because some water retention is a fact, one would not desire to include it in a cutting phase, especially if its one of your first cycles. Nandrolone is used in doses of 200-600 mg per week. 400 mg is the common recommendation for a somewhat experienced user, when used in conjunction with another product. Nandrolone as decanoate, as found in deca-durabolin, is a long acting ester of 10 carbons. That means 1 injection weekly will more than suffice as it has quite a long span of activity

To this effect its preferably stacked with another aromatizing compound. In the first place a long acting testosterone like cypionate, enanthate or sustanon 250. For a beginner cycle, we want to note that the testosterone compound is the most active compound and its therefore more desirable to lower the dose of nandrolone rather than the dose of testosterone. Often beginners look to start at 400 mg of nandrolone and 250 mg of testosterone. A better suggestion would be 200 mg of nandrolone and 500 mg of testosterone. Then bump the nandrolone to 400 mg.

It also makes a good match for doses of Anadrol or Dianabol, although neither compound can be used for the time-span of nandrolone decanoate due to liver toxicity. This isn't the case for a long-acting testosterone ester. Often nandrolone and test are stacked in conjunction with Anadrol or Dianabol for the first few weeks of a stack to boost gains and strength.

A nandrolone stack accompanied by stanazolol (Winstrol/Stromba) makes sense as well, especially for those who are highly prone to gyno. It's commonly accepted that stanazolol can compete for the progesterone receptor, and since nandrolone can act as a progestin, this is a wise precaution. Progesterone agonizes estrogen and while nandrolone only aromatizes slightly and cases of gyno with moderate nandrolone use is rare, when stacking it with another aromatizable compound like Dianabol or testosterone, you may not want to take the chance.

For secondary products one needn't consider an anti-aromatase like Cytadren since one cannot fully block all aromatase conversion and due to the enhanced estrogen activity as a result of progestagenic influence, it would serve little purpose. Using an estrogen-receptor antagonist, while not fool-proof obviously, may serve some benefit. Agonized or not, without binding to the receptor estrogen loses most of its influence. Using stanazolol and either clomid or Nolvadex during a stack with nandrolone is usually the best prescription. Post-cycle use of such substances to help HPTA recover faster and retain gains also comes highly recommended, and preferably for longer than you would with most stacks, since nandrolone stays active for a very long time.

 

[SwolK]

Hi All,

I hope im allowed to post this here... if not ill delete..

Im 23 and have been going to the gym now for a year and a half (been doing it properly for the past year) and im on my first stack of deca 200mg a week to get me started... (took first jab on sunday in me butt) lol

I just have a few newbie questions please if you dont mind

Is there anything i can do or take to keep my gains toward the end of my cycle?

Im sure there will be a couple of more questions but a think thats i for now

Thanks for your help,

Neil.

deca by itself is a really bad cycle. you dick may not work after you are done.
you should have asked these questions and researched before you ever took any AS.

If you are looking to get "tonned" then you do not need steroids, just proper diet/training.

a simple effective cycle would have been
500mg test weeks 1-10
with AI(so you dont bloat or get boobs)
nolv on hand(so you dont get boobs)
clomid for PCT(to keep gains and restore natural test) or nolv for pct and some people use HCG also

IMO i would get off the deca, if you just want to be tonned as you stated. If you stay on the deca, I would get some test to go with it so that your dick works when you are done, and get PCT in check

also, reasearch is the key. stick around and REad and REsearch.

 

[asianlover]

Ohhh sorry, im not used to all these terms, lol, i guess stack means with something... im not taking anything else but deca, 200mg a week, Do you think i should up this to 300/400 mg a week, A dont wanna be "huge" just nice and tonned...

"Nolva, clomid, hcg for post cycle." Erm... Im confused lol

Nolva & clomid is this what i need to take to help me keep the gains ?

Again sorry for being a complete nooob.. Really appreciate any help though, Thanks.

id definantly bump it to 400mg/wk. and don'y worry, you aren't going to look like Arnold after one cycle. if you do less than 400mg/wk you will probable disapointed. pct will determine how much gains you keep.

 

[paulwigan]

i am a fan of low dosages, 250 mg of sust a week gives me amazing gains. however 200mg of deca did not do shit. i would do test if you wanna stick to low dosage.
all it di was cut off my natural test and not absorb fast enough to be of any use.
up it to double that or change it to test

 

[hopper2k]

Hi All, Thank yo so much for your replies.. its much appreciated..

Well when i say tonned i mean like nice, im prob tonned now, i wouldent mind bigger arms

Anyway so basicly 200mg of deca alone aint gonna do much at all so i need to stack this with test (which i guess is testosterone) and bump up my deca intake to 400mg a week...

So how does this sound :

400mg deca a week
400mg test a week

Or is 400mg of test to high, would 200mg be better ?

And i definatly dont wanna bloat or get boobs so what is that AI & Nolv and does test just inject once a week like deca ? Damm i have so many questions, This is a lot harder than i thought it would be

Edit : Done some reading and after my cycle i leave it 2/3 weeks then start taking Nolvadex for 3/4 weeks, As this will help me keep my gains and return my body back to normal, Am i right ? Should this be used during a cycle as well ?

 

[SwolK]

Hi All, Thank yo so much for your replies.. its much appreciated..

Well when i say tonned i mean like nice, im prob tonned now, i wouldent mind bigger arms

Anyway so basicly 200mg of deca alone aint gonna do much at all so i need to stack this with test (which i guess is testosterone) and bump up my deca intake to 400mg a week...

So how does this sound :

400mg deca a week
400mg test a week

Or is 400mg of test to high, would 200mg be better ?

And i definatly dont wanna bloat or get boobs so what is that AI & Nolv and does test just inject once a week like deca ? Damm i have so many questions, This is a lot harder than i thought it would be

Edit : Done some reading and after my cycle i leave it 2/3 weeks then start taking Nolvadex for 3/4 weeks, As this will help me keep my gains and return my body back to normal, Am i right ? Should this be used during a cycle as well ?

glad you did some reading...keep reading for more info. i cant stress how important this is because you are messing with your body and im sure you want to be safe.

what are your stats? age, weight,bf....

I would run 400-500mg test for 10 weeks. split up into 2 shots per week. if you run the deca at all, i would keep it lower then the test level

the AI is an aromitase inhibitor, it keeps your high test levels from converting to estrogen. an AI would be arimidex. And Nolv keeps away gyno(man boobs), But i dont think it works for deca induced gyno, just test induced gyno...if i am wrong someone please correct me.

you can either use nolv or clomid for PCT. yes, 2-3 weeks after last injection

 

[paulwigan]

i would do either the deca or the test. 400mg of either will be fine for a first cycle.

 

[SwolK]

i would do either the deca or the test. 400mg of either will be fine for a first cycle.

i agree. just run the test by itself for a first cycle...either will NOT be fine. deca is a horrible choice as it can shut many people down even with pct. and he does not have any pct planned, so deca is a bad choice.

i just said because he already started it, then he needs to make sure he uses test with it. IMO he should drop the deca and wait for another cycle to use it

 

[hopper2k]

Right, I already bought the deca but i guess i could scrap this and try and buy some test from somewhere, or what about 400mg test and 200mg deca ???

Another thing that also worries me is hair loss, Which is why i went with Deca in the first place becuase i read up about the low side effects on the hair, How is test with hair loss ?

Im getting the hang of this now a think, Read up loads on the PCT ... Just need more info about how to stop man boobs (which sounds bloody scary) and bloating...

 

[SA80]

Right, I already bought the deca but i guess i could scrap this and try and buy some test from somewhere, or what about 400mg test and 200mg deca ???

Another thing that also worries me is hair loss, Which is why i went with Deca in the first place becuase i read up about the low side effects on the hair, How is test with hair loss ?

Im getting the hang of this now a think, Read up loads on the PCT ... Just need more info about how to stop man boobs (which sounds bloody scary) and bloating...

Bro,
If your family has history of hairloss then i would be real careful. In my personal opinion i would not touch the sauce now....you are lucky...still very young.

 

[immortalis]

These guys seem to be taking care of you pretty well with all your questions.

I wish you would have come and asked these types of questions prior to beginning your cycle, however.

 

[hopper2k]

is it not true though that deca is the best one to take hairloss wise, and will not cause your hair to fall out ?

 

[SwolK]

is it not true though that deca is the best one to take hairloss wise, and will not cause your hair to fall out ?

I dont know, because i dont take deca. Bottom line; you are only going to loose hair if you are prone to it. I would not think that test would make you loose hair more then deca.

Some hair loss down the road would not be my primary concern with your cycle. It would be a non-functioning dick when you come off the deca that I would by worried about.

Yes, you could add 400mg test to your 200mg deca

 

[asianlover]

just add more deca. if you already started just bump the dose up to 400mg/wk. just stick to one injectable for your first cycle. no need to start stacking yet. a cycle of test only at 500mg/wk would be a better cycle than deca alone at 400mg/wk but if your already on the deca just stick with that. you should make pretty good gains at 400mg/wk.

 

[hopper2k]

Yep im gonna stick with the deca at 400 mg a week...

Hey guys thanks so much for your help its much appreciated

So i got most things sorted, What to take, How much to take, and what to do on my PCT thanks to all you So everything is good apart from what i take during my cycle to stop the man boobs thing.. Do i just take noaldex for a couple of weeks during the cycle, then after my lasy injection wait 3 weeks then take start taking it again for 3 weeks ?

Again thank you so much for your help, its much appreciated.. This forum is awsome

 

[blut wump]

Did you find any Jenetic posts on Dostinex or Cabaser when taking nandrolones or encounter any posts on the anti-progestogenic nature of winny?

 

[SwolK]

Yep im gonna stick with the deca at 400 mg a week...

Hey guys thanks so much for your help its much appreciated

So i got most things sorted, What to take, How much to take, and what to do on my PCT thanks to all you So everything is good apart from what i take during my cycle to stop the man boobs thing.. Do i just take noaldex for a couple of weeks during the cycle, then after my lasy injection wait 3 weeks then take start taking it again for 3 weeks ?

Again thank you so much for your help, its much appreciated.. This forum is awsome

as i stated earlier, an AI, such as armidex will help with keep test from turning to estrogen. I cant remember if it will work for deca because i cant remember if deca converts to estrogen or progesterone.

I am suprised more people have not told you to avoid a deca only cycle. IMO this is a really bad choice, and be confident that most people would agree with me. just my .02

 

[krishna]

A deca only cycle has its benefits.

 

[SwolK]

A deca only cycle has its benefits.

by all means, i hope it works out

Im saying that there are more drawback then benefits to running deca only. the way I see it, you will get minimal to decent gains(usually less then test), possibility of "deca dick" AND OR a hard recovery even with a proper PCT, water retention... Please list some of the benefits to me that a deca only cycle would have over an EQ or Test only cycle... and why these benefits are better then eq or test.

Im not saying that you are wrong, but im curious

 

[SwolK]

Here is just one of the million examples of why I dont suggest deca. especially deca only

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473532

 

[krishna]

by all means, i hope it works out

Im saying that there are more drawback then benefits to running deca only. the way I see it, you will get minimal to decent gains(usually less then test), possibility of "deca dick" AND OR a hard recovery even with a proper PCT, water retention... Please list some of the benefits to me that a deca only cycle would have over an EQ or Test only cycle... and why these benefits are better then eq or test.

Im not saying that you are wrong, but im curious

The only concern I see is libido, which is totally managable with bromo and proviron. The upside is that you avoid test sides. I've done deca with test, and without test. With test, I got bloated, acne, hair loss (which you can't manage with propecia because of a reverse effect) and my tendons got damaged last time. With deca only, I get good, steady gains with no sides. I have no problems with libido, and I usually don't even have to hit up the proviron unless I want some superwood. Bromo keeps me going fine.

 

[GymIntensity]

I have no problems with libido, and I usually don't even have to hit up the proviron unless I want some superwood. Bromo keeps me going fine.

Krishna, why does the proviron help with libido, and what doses do u take?

GI

 

[krishna]

Krishna, why does the proviron help with libido, and what doses do u take?

GI

Proviron binds to SHBG and acts much like DHT concerning sexual functioning. You can increase libido with as little as 25mg a day, but 50mg a day is the average dose.

 

[GymIntensity]

Proviron binds to SHBG and acts much like DHT concerning sexual functioning. You can increase libido with as little as 25mg a day, but 50mg a day is the average dose.

since winny is a dht, would it act in the same way as the proviron?

or is this different? I have read in other posts suggesting proviron but i didn[t know the reason behind it

 

[krishna]

since winny is a dht, would it act in the same way as the proviron?

or is this different? I have read in other posts suggesting proviron but i didn[t know the reason behind it

Winny is derived from dht, but it does not act the same as proviron on the libido.

 

[hopper2k]

Well the reason i have chosen to go with deca is becuase my brother has used it and also a couple of friends have had no problems with it at all...

So just a little more help please, while just taking deca 400mg a week :

During Cycle -
Novaldex (to help with bloating and "bitch tits") how much would i take and would i take this for the whole of my cycle?
Bromo (for libido)

After Cycle -
Novaldex (For PCT) Wait 3 weeks after last injection then take this for 3 weeks.

Is that correct please ? Also anyone point me in the right direction of a website to order these from? Hope thats allowed but i have looked and cant find it anywhere.. Any other advice much appreciated...

Thanks

Neil.

 

[hopper2k]

You think the above would be ok ?

Again all thank you so much for your help, its much appreciated...

 

[njmuscleguy]

swolk: I'm pretty sure you're correct, nolvadex probably won't help with progestagenic gyno (which is what you'd get from deca & tren).... in fact, I believe Macro has posted a few times that deca + nolvadex could aggrevate or further induce gyno? someone can correct me if I'm wrong

I believe a combo of dostinex (to reduce prolactin, thereby possibly lowering progesterone levels) plus aromasin (I believe I read on here that exemestane and formestane are effective for progesterone-induced gyno) would be the way to go

 

[krishna]

Well the reason i have chosen to go with deca is becuase my brother has used it and also a couple of friends have had no problems with it at all...

So just a little more help please, while just taking deca 400mg a week :

During Cycle -
Novaldex (to help with bloating and "bitch tits") how much would i take and would i take this for the whole of my cycle?
Bromo (for libido)

After Cycle -
Novaldex (For PCT) Wait 3 weeks after last injection then take this for 3 weeks.

Is that correct please ? Also anyone point me in the right direction of a website to order these from? Hope thats allowed but i have looked and cant find it anywhere.. Any other advice much appreciated...

Thanks

Neil.

Don't use nolva while on cycle, save it for pct. You really shouldn't get any gyno with deca only if you run bromo (I recommend it over dostinex because it is superior in lowering progesterone, and almost as efficient in lowering prolactin). If you start to notice any gyno symptoms, get an AI like aromasin.

 

[hopper2k]

ok guys thats great... this forum is awsome, THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP AND ADVICE

Someone gave me a link to a website before that shows where to inject, does anyone have it please ? Thanks...

 

[SwolK]

i think it is spotinjections.com